amy: anand gopal, how does the u.s. military gather its numbers?> most of these numbers come from internal reports by the u.s. military itself. for example, if they notice a mission irregularity, let's say a pilot is dropping a bomb and all of the sudden a civilian vehicle appears after the bomb is dropped. they will report that to their superiors. they will, investigate that. occasionally, they get reports from outside sources, from the media, from air wars that tracks these things. they can were often than not to actually discount those reports and it is her own internal reports they take the most seriously -- which is why the number is so low, for hundred 66 civilians killed in 14,000 airstrikes. if that was true, it would make it must precise air war in history of humanity. but because the threshold for what qualifies as evidence for being a civilian is extremely high muscle in practice, people like basim in fact are guilty until proven innocent. amy: is basim included in this count? >> initially, he was in. wasrge part of our pressing distress