we go now to the capital, to kabul, where we are joined by anand gopal.is latest article "the other afghan women" appears." in "the new yorker." . it is based on his deep reporting in the rural villages of afghanistan that have been devastated by decades of war. anand gopal is also the author of "no good men among the living: america, the taliban, and the war through afghan eyes." thank you so much for joining us. can you talk about who other afghan women are? >> thank you, amy. when we were watching the images streaming from kabul a people desperately trying to get to the airport, including many of my friends, it was easy to come to the conclusion that perhaps what was happening right now was the worst thing that happened in the last two decades. of course, there were many afghans who wanted to get out because they desperately wanted a better life -- i don't blame them for that. there was another reality at the same time that was not really talked about as much, and it was happening outside kabul in rural areas where the bulk of the last 20 years the war