our guest is anatol lieven. thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> tonight on q&a, senior fellow at the american enterprise institute discusses the poor side of town, his look at the more than 100 year effort by the federal government, private developers, and others to create low-cost housing in the united states. >> what happened was once your home is to went down -- is torn down, you can only rent in the project. you can never own anything in public and subsidized housing. to this day, this remains a problem. 47% of the residents of public housing to this day are african-american. those are all people who are not owning anything, not a community wealth. we should not be a surprised -- not be surprised at having steered african-americans into public housing, there is a gap between black and white wealth. >> author of the poor side of town, tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q&a. you can listen to all of our podcasts on our c-span now. -- now cap. -- now app. how will redistricting affect upcoming

we will let anatol lieven respond.e spoken about nuclear energy, but go ahead and respond to his comments. guest: yes indeed. i am not a nuclear scientist, so i feel shy about commenting in detail on this. i've done more reading on nuclear fusion technology, but i entirely agree. we have to do everything possible to explore the safe -- and develop the safer forms of nuclear energy. i find the prejudices of the environmental camp against nuclear energy. it's a misassessment of risk. at most, at the absolute outside indirect casualties of the chernobyl disaster, 60,000 or so, the actual figure could well be less than a quarter of that. between seven million and nine million people a year die from the effects of pollution by carbon fuels. that's not even talking about the ongoing and future effects of climate change. so absolutely. yes, people have talked about the sputnik moment. you are absolutely right. if the chinese are pouring money into this kind of research and development, then if america wishes to compete with c

joining us next is author and scholar anatol lieven, helping us to take a look at the upcoming climate summit in glasgow, summit -- glascow, scotland. he is the author of "climate change and the nationstate." welcome to "washington journal."

host: author and scholar anatol lieven with us.welcome your calls and comments. (202) 748-8001 the line for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. independents and all others (202) 748-8002. just a brief bullet points of the $555 billion bill back better plan, some of the climate provisions in the plan include extending tax credits to boost renewable power, expanding credits for the purchase of electric vehicles, adding rebates to encourage investments in home efficiency, and helping to find communities building resilience to climate change impacts. also finding and creating a civilian climate corps. all of this, this summit, happening at a time when the west, and the rest of the world, are seemingly in an energy -- not crisis, if you will, but increasingly needing more energy and more fossil fuel energy. guest: yes, well, i must say, as an interim measure, and interim could well be two or three generations to come, a strong advocate of nuclear power. not because i like it in itself and not because i think it is a long-term sol