amy: friday, we interviewed anatol lieven, senior fellow at the quincy institute for responsible statecraftsparity, about how ukrainian refugees are treated here, how many are accepted, and how afghan refugees are accepted or not. this was his response. >> the response to ukraine and ukrainian refugees has been vastly more gerous. not giving a silent two people who worked for the united states and britain is obviously disgraceful, dishonorae. i have to say, when it comes to much larger numbers of refugees from afghanistan, as we have seen from previous generations of migrants to the west, there has been often real problems with integration, even in first-generation, let alone second-generation, with some of these people that come to the west as refugees and then turned to extremism and terrorism. simply saying we must accept anyone who wants to leave afghanistan and can, is not a solution. ukrainians, like pols and others, are much easier, frankly, to integrate, to be successful in western societies. that sounds harsh, but i'm afraid it is a fact. amy: hey fact, nijab aminy? nijab: i am per