, 95% of iraq's revenues come from oil. it is a big global producer ander. you can't divorce these things. these are realities. >> we, in my mind, we did not go into iraq for oil. the folks that i worked with, we all felt like we were going into iraq because of wmd. now, were there other folks that had other reasons? i'm not aware of it. there may have been. >> we didn't go into iraq to get access to the sand. we went into iraq to get the access to oil. period. >> an attempt by any outside force to gain control of the persian gulf region -- >> a u.s. foreign policy doctrine that was first articulated during an energy crisis in the 1970s, put into action during the gulf war in the 1990s -- >> and that must not stand. >> -- and then brought to its full potential in 2003 -- >> do not destroy oil wells. a source of wealth that belongs to the iraqi people. >> that foreign policy doctrine is not a thing of the past. even as america has upped our own oil production, the commitment to defend the international free flow of oil by force remains. >> the united state

iraq rather than north korea? at the time north korea really was building a nuclear bomb. and threatening to proliferate that technology. iraq wasn't. the case for war in iraq that was presented to the american people proved to be a smoke screen. there were no weapons of mass destruction. there was no reconstituted iraqi nuclear program. the case that was made publicly for that war turned out to be false. what was true? what was the reason for that war? we know that it wasn't the reasons they told us. so why did we really do it? newly obtained documents from both here and abroad as well as interviews with many of the key players in the war-planning process and in the invasion now provide an answer to that question. the question of "why we did it." watch. ♪ ♪ >> i will swear to not only uphold the laws of this land. >> summer of 2000. >> order to lift the spirit of this country when i put my hand on the bible. i will also swear to uphold the honor and integrity of the office to which i have been elected, so help me god. >> we love you, bush! >> as the presidential race heats up

and syria that is a real entity out in the borderlands between iraqnd syria. running from the outskirts of fallujah to aleppo. they have bases, training camps, and finance ears. and for whatever reason we decided that the united states is willing to tolerate these al qaeda affiliate camps or former al qaeda affiliate camps in the deserts of western iraq and eastern syria. >> when you consider the new prime minister, whoever that might be, even if it's not al-maliki, is anyone equipped to take on the al qaeda affiliated group i.s.i.l.? >> yes, i think there's a possibility that they could. i think what needs to happen is the very radical violence professional core of the al qaeda group in iraq that doug refs to, i think needs to be isolated and needs all the support that the regular sunni population in western iraq needs to be stripped from that group and they need to be isolated. similar to what happened with the awakening movement, where u.s. forces allied themselves with sunni tribes who turned on al qaeda, and who isolated them and ended up joining

and yet lopez did not see combat during his 2011 tour of iraq. he had self-reported a traumatic brain injury when he returned from the country, though that injury was never confirmed by authorities. in the science of mental disorders and suicidal tendencies, exposure to combat isn't necessarily the biggest determinant. according to a study last month, suicide rates among soldiers in iraq and afghanistan more than doubled from 2004 to 2009 with more than 30 suicides per 100,000. but the rate among those who never deployed was even higher, tripling to between 25 and 30 per 100,000 people. the same study found that nearly 1 in 5 u.s. army soldiers had mental illnesses before they enlisted. joining me is the congressman from the 31st district of texas, which of course includes the ft. hood military base representative john carter. representative carter, thank you so much for joining us and our condolences. our condolences to men and women of your district affected by this. i guess my first question is are you concerned that ft. hood has become a targe

, and i think some veterans said, iraq veterans, said, i feel like everyone assumes we all have ptsd, and that we pathology jiz the experience, and if you went there and blown up once or spent a week in baghdad that you're broken. i think there is a tent sigh to look at soldiers being through it and looking as if there was always a negative damaging experience with them, when, in fact, 85% of people go to war and are generally okay. i mean, it's not -- you know, the war stays with all veterans for all their lives, but to assume that everyone has been damage by it is kind of going too far, and i think we have to be honest and i think there is so the disconnect, emotional goals between civilians and soldiers is so great, and i think civilians, people have not served, peel such a burden to give something to give something back to veterans, and i think ptsd has become this way of -- this gift that, you know, if we can extend sympathy in the form of the disorder, in the form of the acronym, the four letters, that, can somehow make up -- that can, you know, that makes up for the fact that w

both the experience of intervention through afghanistan and iraq and then the experience of the last few years? what we've learned is that both are very difficult, right? we know how difficult it's been in the engagements in iraq and afghanistan, but we also know when we look at syria today, which is a country in disintegration, probably well over 150,000 people dying now and no end in sight, or if we look at libya where we did intervene through air power alone, changed the government but it is a mess and exporting its problems across the middle east. what we have to understand rather than saying, you know, who is to blame for this is to say, what is the nature of this threat and how do we counter it? >> but what you're saying is that you have to call it what it is, and you can't be reluctant to act. and on this program last week david brooks, columnist for "the new york times," said the following about president obama. he said, let's face it, obama, whether deservedly or not, does have i'll say it crudely, this is him speaking, but a manhood problem in the middle east. is he tough en

and the engagement in afghanistan and iraq. and the leading impact, the more owl, and physical and mental health of our troops, what do you think? >> host: who are we talking with? >> guest: another marine, he is a marine. >> i served in the ninth marines with bing west. >> host: in vietnam? >> caller: yes. >> host: thank you, sir. >> guest: when you are on the air. you can't call it in, your battalion has a lawyer, and he is discussing with the pilots the air officer and italians discussing with the pilots. and the three four wayne debate a lot of times. and the troops, i would not use the word -- maybe someone would say cynical. and every one from the company, everyone from the battalion commander on down who served in afghanistan is aware of this. it is different from where we fought in vietnam, much different. >> host: what is the importance of tribes in iraq and afghanistan? >> guest: let me go to iraq first because it is quite different. iraq is flat, you can drive from one end to the others on six or seven hours on a majo

be not from the conventional definition of combat the army uses, but if you're driving a truck up and iraqghways in the final months of the war when bases are being rocketed, when everybody knows america is , it is certainly less physically dangerous than i was and 2005, but4 still, not a walk in the park by any means. injuryt he had a brain that he spoke about that was not documented in the military record is also not surprising. this is a big problem that a lot of soldiers have. their injuries are not being written down. they go later to the v.a. to get their benefits and they're told that there is no record of their injuries. so there's a lot of unanswered questions at this early date, and a lot of things in this case that are both similar and different than the broader trend we see. >> ryan holleran, you are nodding your head. if you could talk about this description of ivan lopez not having seen combat in iraq, and what it means to come home. talk about your own experience. >> sure. it seems to be a common narrative -- right now people are talking about the shooting, tried to do value

ask we had the nuremberg trials, and we executed the leaders. in iraq, we went in, the colonial era was over, and we turned to somebody like prime minister maliki and somebody like president karzai and said you're in charge. we will not affect your promotions whatsoever. you choose whomever you want, and we'll do the fighting for you. so a vastly different system between japan and germany versus iraq and afghanistan. >> host: michael paul e-mails in to you, mr. west, is it the responsibility of the u.s. to make the world safe for democracy, or is a democratic republic a reality only for those willing to die for it themselves? >> guest: i, mr. paul, come down much more on the latter. that a democratic society you have to be willing to die for it yourself. >> host: is it the world's -- is it our responsibility, though, to be the world's policeman in a sense? >> guest: no, it is not. it is our responsibility, it seems to me, that in certain areas to establish rules of the road that are common to everybody. for instance, at sea there will not be piracy. we

and move iraq towards reconciliation. e way the violence could be confronted. >> do you think it's dangerous if the prime minister wins a third term here? how much responsibility does he bear for all the violence and corruption in iraq? >> there's no question corruption is rampant and everyone is involved and no one's hands are clean. as to the violence, i just disagree with my friend neseva. i really hope she's wrong. essentially her corn tension is is -- her contention is the sunni citizens of iraq are going to turn to violence and terrorism every time they don't agree with the political outcome. that goes to very, very hard core shia parties. i think the sunni citizens of iraq in the main do want to be part of a peaceful unified iraq and the reports we are getting from the front and anbar is that the citizens, are not simple citizens, they have been fighting for the past two years, that's where they developed their skill. are. >> douglas and iva, thank you very much for your time tonight. >> thank you very much, jonatha

. >> and the commander said he served in iraq in 2011, and was being evaluated for post-traumatic stress disorder. >> and that's after army major hasan killed people a few years ago. president obama talked about this. >> the folks there have sacrificed so much for our freedom. many people have been through multiple tours in iraq and afghanistan. when they're at their home base, they need to feel safe. >> hasan was convicted last year for the 2009 attack at ft. hood and sentenced to death. he was targeting soldiers about to be sent to afghanistan. he was shot in the back and is paralyzed from the waist down. >> ed lavandera is there. what are you hearing? >> well, it's just after midnight and federal investigators are here at ft. hood and into the community. we know that investigators are at the home of ivan lopez. and we've already learned a great deal. officials had been in the process of treating and diagnosing him for ptsd. psychological issues as well as anxiety. and investigators and officials say they still do not have a motive for why he carried out this attack just after 4:00 p.m

and i could say in iraq we are witnessing more evidence on rooting and having sectarians rooted in societyiraq, which is not the case in the history. >> how do you think these elections might exacerbate that? >> i mean, if you look another the list itself, this gives you an indication as you said in the report. we have three lists, and the election lists indicated that we have see groups competing. and this is an important fact. the second fact is what the s the motivation for people to vote for this candidate and not that candidate is being motivated by the sects basically. and this is reminding us of the lack or absence of citizenship in iraq and the lack of feeling that this is an iraqi belonging to all iraqis rather than a sect or group. >> of course, and shiite is the biggest group there so it is likely we'll get back in. i mean, he has been in power now for over ten years. he is a real survivor, isn't he? >> he is. he is now running the military, running most of the economic sectors. he has -- his own people everywhere on the institutions in iraq. i think this gives him a lot of supp

iraq is absolutely flat, and you can drive from one end of iraq to the other in about six or seven hours on major highways. that means that the different tribes knew each other quite well. and 50% of the entire country is urbanized. so that you know who the other sheikhs are, and you know what the power structure is. and what happened in iraq that changed the entire war was that the marines were fighting out in a place called anbar and fallujah which is out toward the syrian border. and after about four years of fighting, this magnificent sheikh came forward, and he said we're tired of our sunnis fighting against you, and we're tired of al-qaeda, and we're tired of the shiites. we want to come over to your side. we want to come over to the side of the strongest tribe. general petraeus then came into country a couple months later and said, holy smokes, all of these sunnis are willing to come over to our side, and he welcomed them, and he tipped the scale of the entire battle. because once they moved as one tribe, the rest of them followed -- the rest of them being the sunnis followed. now

and that has beening of the grit sidenotes and a lot of the men and women that served with him in iraq have been getting in touch with him. johnny went to work with the mp as an interrupter and made such a great name for himself that when the seals came to the area a few months later on they heard of the toughest interrupter in iraq and they asked for johnny walker. and sergeant bird was not sure about giving up, but he did. and you started working with the seals and johnny did you know what seals were at first? >> no. the first time i when hear about seals i said what does that mean? i could not find it anywhere and my english wasn't good. i have no clue what i am dealing with. and it was like what i am doing and what i'm going to do. i love america but those people are scary in different clothes and such. i remember the first mission i worked for them the guy who i walked with was like stop, look and go. and i don't know if we can make enterance to the house so they leave the door and i have no review and nothing so i was like we are under attack and i start to run away and the guy r

>> i don't know too much about what's is going on in afghanistan and iraq. i think it's a good strategic decision to move out of these countries which in the long term are not important for america's place in the world. yes, they present domestic threat in the form of terrorism as we saw in 9/11, but what is going on in asia is much more important for america's long term stability. north korea is going to be difficult. it's always been difficult. the world's most opaque country. we talk about not predicting the fall of the soviet unity, kim jong-un executing his uncle. >> will china lose from north korea. >> i think they lose more than they gain. on the other hand north korea is a great excuse for japan and the united states and south korea to militarize. japan makes it clear when they increase defense spending, when they buy some expensive new toys that it's for north korea. they're trying not to say anything about china, and this is actually a pretty good fig leaf for that. >> muammar qaddafi was a mess today. assad is still in power, but the nuclear--the

iraq. that's where politics and power revolves around the shia, sunni and kurdish. in northern iraq the kurdish community makes a fifth of the population. the semiautonomous area has its own government. further south is a mix of sunni arabs and kurds in oil-rich places. over a third of iraq's population are sunni muslims, in central and western parts and accuse the shi'a-led government of discrimination. from the capital baghdad and surrounding areas, it's historically been a mix of sunni and shia muslims. the majority population concentrated in the east and southern iraq, including cities like basra, generating 40% of iraq's oil revenues. let's speak to an editor-in-chief inside iraqi politics. joining us from the kurd anian capital. no single party is expected to win the elections currently taking place, to win a majority of the elections going on in iraq. can up explain the system of proportional representation? >> sure, so the way it works is that iraq is divided into 18 districts. one district for each province. there are 328 seats in the parliament. three more

and radicals. the news in iraq against you is that too. so then a number of elements that i was in he chooses to continue teaching and bounce around much. now speaking about that you know it. if there were more international help to the country that you would think that shopping centers coming in. topping anything about it and just needed to revisit the completion of the invasion never should be usable in violation of international law the lesson should be lower than in the country when you know and it worked for the army the police state. you can always make it worse by the envy of them come to ukraine was corrupt now lydia was dictatorship now so to say here that we can be automatically fix a country that in the end with the military regime is insanely evil and the road to get over it. united states over we shouldn't force in national law on hackers. this doesn't happen again secondly given the invasion to us. winner take all the spinning iraqi army instead of going through my youtube application law they're going to compromise clearly th

and of cash. to try to meet the needs in iraq and afghanistan. and the needs of the counterterrorism conflict around the world. all that happened with a group of people who were stretched -- stressed to begin with. they were conducting combat operations. the was a lot of pressure on this community of it to make sure we're treating them the right way from here forward to think there's lots of good lessons learned in the gao report. >> why did the united states wait for so long to develop technology for a next-generation rocket engine for launched? >> i think when we purchase of the engines we're currently using for every launch which is the real issue today, the russian designed and built engine, i think it was a great product. it was cost savings. it was an efficiency we could by purchasing en masse and they've been very successful. we can't afford to forget that. we just hit 100 straight national security space launches which is a spectacular success story. one of the things we have to be very careful about any decisions in the space launch turb

and please, send help quickly. oh, by the way, iraq will host the world cup in 2016. ughter] why not if qatar to do what? recently died and i had an opportunity to go to baghdad -- don't laugh. a counterterrorism conference. what i got back i was asked by somebody, in a word how were things in baghdad? good, i said. good? my friend said one word, i replied to be come into work. not good. how would i know that? you're right, i probably wouldn't. it was so quiet. security was everywhere. multiple checkpoints every three feet practically especially around the zone to get around. and nothing was said in the two and half days of the conference over, i was there about nine days, well, things were said privately but you wouldn't have known there was a terrorist war going on, that there probably have been already fighting around fallujah and in anbar. not a word was said to if you were to ask after this conference what iraq's catechism strategy is, i wouldn't know. i didn't know there'd been a huge terrorist incident, a bombing, till i got an e-mail from thomas in an e-mail sa

and afghanistan for slate salon and the first dispatch for the virginia quarterly review from iraq titled the notes from the underground was included in the best american on the required reading of 2007. his work has appeared in the new yorker foreign-policy and the journal. in january of 2015, houston missed when will release the boobook the evil hours a biogray of posttraumatic stress disorder. to my left is janet, the author of eight novels including the pulitzer nominated the buzzards. her textbook writing fiction is the most widely used textbook in america. her children's book the giant sandwich has been translated into 20 languages and orchestra. her poems stories and essays appeared in atlantic monthly, mademoiselle, the guardian and many other publications. her memoir. please welcome the guests. [applause] in your first book you follow the army battalion. thank you for your service. one of the central characters. thanks for coming today. 22 a day a quick thing about that number the la times has done some reporting on this team at the "washington post" has done some reportin

i would also remind them that we support the territorial and political integrity of the united iraq. this is not the time to start waving the flag. we are going to do what you don't want to do. those are areas where we can and should be speaking our mind and saying what we stand for. what could go wrong? i think the war gets worse. there is no sign of better but if there is a serious defeat of the forces come if not only are they operating in the areas they are around baghdad and they've blocked major roads. if that cannot be stopped, turned around, and if they cannot be defeated i won't even say even a native one would hope, then the government in baghdad whoever it is has a really bad problem. i would also say what do you mean you're not going to vote? remember 2005 you didn't participate in the constitution, you didn't vote for the first parliament and guess what, you were not there. you were not at the table and you were not heard. not a good idea thank you very much. >> thank you to the panelists. i will correct a few questions to each of you individually. the person i don't addr

we have senior level contacts between iraq and al qaeda going back a decade." this is the transcript of donald rumsfeld speaking to the metro atlanta chamber of commerce, the evidence linking 9/11 in iraq was in his words, "bulletproof." now donald rumsfeld totally denies he ever believed there was a connection between the two or had any role in making other people believe that connection as well. nbc's michael isikoff just today shared with us a new document that's never been publicly released before, showing that when donald rumsfeld was told the 9/11 hijacker had not met with iraqi officials like the bush administration had been publicly claiming he had, donald rumsfeld pushed back on that and asked how it was possible to know that atta hadn't met with the iraqis. he asked, couldn't atta been wearing a blond wig or something when he had the meeting? how could we know he didn't do it? but it is amazing to have donald rumsfeld on film, right, it's one thing to know that they're lying. it's another thing to see them lying on film. right to your face. and to see

and thank you for the invite. thank you very much for your interest in iraq. sometimes we talk and it seems like 10 of us only follow it. that we are thrilled to see you all here today. thank you so much. >> [inaudible] [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> coming up tonight here on c-span2, two, it is but tv in prime time with a focus on navy deals are at first, the author of the book tried outdoors, and then johnnie walker who wrote codename johnny walker, the extraordinary story of the iraqi who risk everything to fight with the u.s. navy deals. and the author of eyes on target. finally, seal team six, which is the unit that killed osama bin laden. booktv all this week here on c-span2. >> the u.s. annual women in the world summit in a conversation with hillary clinton and firsthand stories of bombings and chemical attacks in syria. here is a preview. >> we need to produce conclusive prosperity. i'm a product of the american middle class and grateful for everything that i was given as a child to prepare me to have a fascinating life, obviously. but i don't

were able to-- and what the iranians have done in iraq is backed a lot of different horses. an iranian said the difference between iranians and americans, americans are like chickens, make a lot of noise and lay one eggs. we iranians are like fish-- we make no noise and lay thousands of eggs. they've backed various groups in iraq. they often play them against each other. they tried to unseat prime minister maliki and that backfired when he did the charge of the nights operations in basra and took over operations in sadr city. my personal view of what iran is trying to do in the arab world is i believe thatter trying to keep the arab world perpetually weak so they can continue to advance in interest. what you saw in iraq is sort of a meas blah model for iraq where you have a weak government that is dependent on iranian support to survive. >> rose: we live in a world of high-tech. we live in a world of drones, of a different kind of warfare. >> instantaneous communications. >> we live in the world of the possibilities of cyb erp warfare. it's t

he joined though service in 1995, served in kuwait and iraq. d four people are still hospitalized from the shooting. u.s. medical centers are considered the best in the world for treating gunshot wounds. american emergency rooms handle more of these injuries than any other hospitals in the country. >>> here in tucson, arizona gabby giffords was shot in the head at point-blank range. here in the united states gun violence has created an elite breed of trauma surgeon. dr. peter reid was in charge when giffords arrive. he says a trauma center in any american city can handle the horrors that emerged in forth hood. >> they are used to that, so i know they were going to get as good of care as they could. >> reporter: doctor reid know it depends on where they are shot. >> i would say anywhere in the nervous system is the worst. >> reporter: he once trained battlefield surgeons by taking them to hospitals in major american cities. in countries without gun violence, trauma surgery barely exist. >> they don't even need that in other countries. it's just c

the end of this year. >> finally, sergeant timothy owens, 37, from illinois, served in aindicate and iraq and who's uncle remembers him as an honorable individual. here at the top activity church, a community memorial service still underway. today, the community gathered around each other to remember these three individuals lost and the 16 wounded soldiers. of course, this is especially traumatic to them, because in 2009, major nidal hassan killed 13 people on the same base. the pastor is wondering how this could happen again. >> our hearts are broken, hour community is hurting today. we want to honor those that were affected. i don't know if any in here today were directly affected. i know some that were, but we pray that we be able to be an encouragement and comfort and remember those lost on that day. >> now of course, this memorial service is still happening, the communities here embracing one another, holding each other up, saying although this is happening to each other again, their goal is to support their soldiers and that's always top of their minds. >> heidi, as these investigat

in two thousand and three the devastating invasion of iraq spearheaded by the west and its people. i like britain few years of insurgency and a skyrocketing number of deaths through terror attacks. in two thousand eleven to lead the campaign to turn the no fly zone operation into full scale military support for the right. you look at me there is still far from its professed goal of providing security to its member states just as nothing and nothing to do it that all that was basically an aggressive action against another country. the alliance's stated objective of this collective defense. every country agreed that dr was talkin all the others went mountain climbers were all touched one another. when falls the helpful. that's the tale of peter in reality not a single nato member has never been attacked by another country. he was bankrolled the alliance came over seventy percent of its budget and urging robot think your team members to stump up their fair share of the united states' use of nato is to expand its own power and seo world and higher even than that that term is is passe t

. >> reporter: major parts of iraq look like this. empty streets andigilant security men at check point bs. it's to secure iraq's largest democratic exercise since u.s. troops left three years ago. voters in their thousands have to walk to polling stations across the country. >> translator: i came here to participate in the general national election to vote for two will contribute to building and serving iraq. >> reporter: despite a van on vehicles and curfew like conditions attackers still managed to hit a few areas. >> translator: we have come to vote today to choose a candidate to ask the new government to help build a free and democratic iraq. >> reporter: it's the sectarian divides that fuel the insecurity in this area. critics blame this man, almaulky for failing to bridge the gaps. his biggest challenge oovpgs this election comes from two other parties. analysts believe negotiations with sunnis and kurds will begin after the shiite majority block begins its divisions. >> there is so much resistance to that, and once the shiite as a whole who mak

prior to this, he served as iraq 's ambassador to japan, and spent many years in the u.k. studying to be an engineer when it was not safe to be in iraq. speaking of not safe, ambassador lukman faily is a veteran. he ran the boston marathon two days ago, and he completed the boston marathon two days ago, so when he comes up, please give him extra time to make it up the stairs. he will make it up, and we are delighted and look forward to what he has to say. after he talks, he and i will have a discussion for about 15 minutes that we will open it to the group for discussions. please join me in welcoming ambassador look him failing -- lukman faily. [applause] >> thank you very much. this is yours. ok. thank you very much, john. i was expecting a disability access route, but thank you for your concentration, and for allowing us to have an opportunity to chat among friends about the situation in iraq. i will talk for about 10, 15 minutes, if that is ok. that we will have the q and a session. to start with, let me say that i am privileged to be here today. first, because of the ne

and a suicide bomber. the al quaida offshoot, he mentioned, the islamic state of iraq and syria took responsibility. this isn't the iraq the united states expected to leave behind. it's not even an iraq a lot of iraqis recognize. in election after election, in almost a decade since people here first went to the polls, the country has become more and not less divided. and many fear it will become more dangerous. here in al-anbar, iraq's biggest province bordering syria and jordan, few people will be able to go to the polls. in fallujah, anti-goverment fighters are in the street. they say this is the war on terrorism. it surrounded fallujah to drive out what it says is the islamic state of iraq and syria former offshoot of al quaida in iraq, it has been using u.s. weapons and ammunition to launch strikes on the edge of the cities. but it isn't that simple. many iraqis in the sunni majority province say these aren't terrorists, they're rebels fighting against what they believe is an iranian controlled iraqi government. the the conflict reflects a bigger political split in iraq and the region. this is a

and rand paul. the stakes couldn't be fatter. was it right to fight the iraq war? was it good for the united states and mankind to ignite a war in the middle east that cost the lives of 186,000 people, that rid aran of its number one rival, that basically turned iraq into an iranian client? was this good for us our our friend israel? dick cheney believes the whole war was exactly the right way to go. rand paul thinks and says just the opposite. and it's getting personal. liz cheney has just accused senator paul of getting his point of view, in fact, his talking points, she said, from our own msnbc's rachel maddow. if you think the whole war was undermined by a misconceived apology agenda, then you, sir, must be a progressive. that's hardly true, of course. ask the countries. ask republicans if they think sending our people into iraq accomplished anything good for this country. just ask them. there's only one part of this country the answer is yes. it's in that that pocket of right-wing hawkish ideology that will not let the facts of history get in the way of its obs

of this year after serving 20 years. >> timothy owens from effingham, illinois served in kuwait and iraq, who's uncle called him an honorable individual. the community is in mourning and sending well wishes to the 16 soldiers who are still in recovery. around town, we're seeing memorials, in killeen, 16 flags are placed for the wounded, three crosses for the dead. this isn't the first time that these crosses and flags have adorable that church's lawn. in 2009, 13 crosses marked the lives taken by major nidal hasan in that mass shooting. this community had just found closure in august when hassan was sentenced to death. we spoke with a church elder who said he is in disbelief to see this scene of violence unfold yet again. >> it's a real awakening in the community. it lets us know that there's evil out there. it's around us every day. it's in this world. it's tragic when anyone turns a gun on anyone else, but when it's one of our own, it really hurts. >> there are these smaller memorial was as all over town, but the big one will be wednesday when the president will be here to remember tho

barack obama took office and got them out of iraq. that's what they'd say. >> who better to respond to this question than those who were asked to fight those battles. those who are pulling the triggers and paying that sacrifice feel like he was the commander in chief, they would want to serve under despite mistakes -- what they see in barack obama is a commander in chief who said i want to end the war in iraq, consequences be dammed. and in afghanistan, claims that was the good war, the place where we needed to double down. as we talked about in bob gates' book, it was later exposed, it was a gut check that a lot of us felt, he didn't believe in that mission from the beginning. if you're serving there, you want to know the guys sending you there has got your back to finish it properly, that was always in doubt, i think it's more a gut reflection than an indictment of the policies of either commander. >> it's amazing, they say, only 44% of the veterans believe the war in iraq was worth fighting. 50% believe that about afghanistan. 89% o

it came from a speech john brennan gave several years ago contrasting the big wars in afghanistan and iraqbama administration in these other wars uses a scalpel, and a scalpel is sort of a euphemism to imply something is without costs or consequences. so i used knife because knife fights are far less blooder. >> stephen: do you think there's any way waging these military actions in countries where there is not a declared war could ever come back to bite us in the ass? and if so, isn't that kind of a good thing because have you seen america's ass? it could use a couple of bites taken out of it. >> it certainly has that potential. secret operations throughout history, there's blow-back a lot of times. the sort of more you have operations carried out without a whole lot of public oversight or even internal governmental oversight, the more chance of things going wrong. so certainly one of the questions is how much of the-- of these operations radicalize people who weren't previously disposed to these militants? and so that's something we're going to have to pay attention to. >> stephen: are th

this was sad about this system. >> yeah but how you got out of that system and how you got out of iraq you warehoused by the seals and when you had been serving in iraq, how you got to the u.s.. >> one of my friends whose name is jack, we worked in 2007. good to see you brother. anyway in 2005 and six most of the team guys allowed me to join them. i wanted to do that. after my wife and my brother was killed and they put money on my head i was like do you know what? my family deserves a better chance in the seals did everything. i mean each one of them. >> if we go into that and a little more detail but we really have to praise and thank one seal in particular. the call him chief tack in the book who was a tremendous supporter of johnny and made it happen. there were a lot of people involved. lawyers and a lot of officers so there is a lot of credit to be spread around. chief tack is a master chief and if you know anything about seals he is one tough sob. when finally everything, he had all the paperwork and he got johnny here we finally heard that johnny was on a mission. he started cr