my guest today is sweden's chief epidemiologist, anders tegnall. the architect of a controversial no lockdown strategy which continues to stir interest right across the world. has it worked? anders right across the world. has it worked ? anders tegnall right across the world. has it worked? anders tegnall in stockholm, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. let's begin with the latest picture in sweden. your death figures every day from covid—19 go up, go down, sometimes by significant margins. it is hard to get a real sense of whether you are really in control of the spread of covid—19 in sweden or not. what do you say? we know the death toll is complicated because the registration of death is often a few days late. so we now collect data on date of death and we do it ina way data on date of death and we do it in a way that we do not worry too much about the last ten days because we know they are unsure and many things are happening and they fill out every day. instead we look at days before that and then we followed the trend much better and we have a c

anders tegnall in stockholm, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. begin with the latest picture in sweden. your death figures every day from covid—19, they go up, they go down, sometimes by significant margins. it's hard to get a real sense of whether you are really in control of the spread of covid—19 in sweden or not. what do you say? yeah, we know that the death toll is a bit complicated because the registration of death is sometimes a few days late. so we now collect data on actual date of death and we do it in a way that we do not worry too much about the last ten days because we know they are unsure, a lot of things happening and they fill out every day. instead, we look at two days before that and then we follow the trend much better and we have a clear declining trend. i think we topped atjust under 100 cases a day and now we are down to slightly more than 80 a day on the average. the trend seems to keep going that way. that trend is clearly very good news. but is not the brutal truth that you have had many more deaths in sweden than you wou