ando the united states. udy and look what is happening there. .hen i spent two years the mostwas [indiscernible] i have had. this was my first visit. night. study at at the school for social research and during the day i worked. >> you said you hoped to see peace if you live to be another 10 years, you expect it to come. are you optimistic? >> 100%. it was a mistake that i was not more optimistic. if i compare our early [indiscernible] and the reality that followed, i must say that [indiscernible] was too small. the reality exceeded the dreams. the state of -- when the state of israel was founded it was one million people -- it was 650,000 at the time. it is better to -- the greater you dream the better the reality may become. [applause] >> what do you see as the biggest obstacle today? >> skepticism of human beings. us. skeptics among that to be aink little bit pessimistic is to be very much serious. i am not sure about it. i do not believe that optimists and pessimists pass away the same way but it is diffe

the arrest of german intelligence officer for spying for the united states on the inquiry that has been opened into the whole nsa scandal? andourprise at all intelligence officers are being bribed i the united states. we've had volunteers being paid by the fbi and so on. being bribed by the united states is to surprise at all. what is interesting, germany has tried to make it public. they have found someone they're going to prosecute them, not just dismiss it. that is a decision by the german government in the case of popular will by the german population. >> wikileaks founder and editor julian assange. and our next segment, we asked him about whether clinton's comments: for edwards snowden to come back to the united states and face a trial. julian assange describes his surroundings. he is been holed up in the ecuadorian embassy in london for over two years without any direct sunlight. he describes it as a kind of space station. he has been granted political asylum in ecuador, a concern if he steps foot outside the ecuadorian embassy in london, he will be arrested by british authorities. we continue our conversation with juli