andre carson and allen west. you said congressman carson should apologize.e know what's he is saying isn't true. he doesn't care. she worried the black vote will not turn out for obama in 2012 the way it turned out in 2008. so he will say anything he thinks he has to. it is the exploitation of black people by black people. >> i am speechless. >> i want to keep my job. >> she is flat out crazy. >> you said clearly they are lying about wanting to hang people from trees and crossing the line. >> i'm not even sure it did anymore. i think the line has been erased. >> pretty much close to it, you are right. >> if anything will cross it, it is the lynching. >> i hope so. i don't know. >> bill, you seem to think allen west shouldn't have said he will leave the black caucus over this. what he wants is for the chairman of the cbc to condemn carson's remarks and disassociate the comments from them. what's wrong with that? >> it is a bit much. >> really? >> yes. >> so if the congressional black caucus does president -- doesn't disassociate themselves from the remarks, c

andre carson and allen west. you said carson should. apologize. but here is the thing.g he knows what he is saying care. isn't true.eor he doesn't care. he is hoping the black vote doesn't turn out in 2012. ath he sill say anything he thinks he has to. it is the cynical exploitation of black people by black o people. >> i am speechless. i i want to keep my job. j >> toe kay. i think it is different for maxine waters. she is flat out crazy. >> masa, you said clearly carson is lying about the teain party wanting to hang peopleople by trees. i'm not even sure it didt d anymore.retty much c i think the line has been erased.il >> if anything will cross itchi. it is this, the lynching. >> i hope so.ilou s bill, you seem to think that allen west shouldn't have saidhe he will lead the caucus over this. he wants them to condemn the remarks and disassociate the disa caucus from them.s what's wrong with that? >> that is not bad, buteally? walking out in a huff is a bit much. p if the caucus does presidentcite -- doesn't disassociaten wes themselves, they sho

i want to follow up, and i'll start with you, donna, on congressman andre carson of indi indiana.ersial, explosive words he said the other day. listen to this and then we'll discuss. >> some of them in congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you and me, i'm sorry, chairman, hanging on a tree. >> all right. in case our viewers didn't hear that properly, "some of them in congress, in this tea party movement right now would love to see you and me, i'm sorry, chairman, hanging on a tree." donna, did he go way too far? >> his remarks tell us what's wrong with our political discourse today. there's no question, wolf, that for african-americans who understand this history, especially a history of lynching, to use such language is something that inflames and not informs people. so, yes, i clearly would not have advised him to say that about the tea party or any other party or caucus. but it tells us a lot about the level of incivility, the level of extreme language that's being used, and it's not just being used in the context of the tea party, it's being used in t

sons of bitches and we are at war with them, maxine waters saying they can go straight to hell, andre carsonck people hanging at trees. i take personal offense on that. he lectured the country on civility, he's been missing in action. the answer is we are not going to be the speech police now. hypocrite ? >> yes on october sides. i was move -- yes, on both sides. i was so moved when the country came together, around gabrielle giffords. i thought i was a little corny, but cool and cute that they sat with eve other, republicans and democrats in the house. the problem with our nation is, this is true of 9/11 as it is true with the incident involving gabrielle giffords. if it takes a tragedy like this to bring us together. 9/11, or members of congress being shot to bring us together to talk about civility, that can't be the answer. we're not a civil enough society. >> sean: shouldn't the president speak out now? you remember the big sister souljah moment? >> i remember it well. >> sean: if he took on dre carson and said stop, maxine waters be, stop. jimmy hoffa, stop. wouldn't he benefit politic

. >> this andre carson, i call him a clown.ow, this guy is one of the head people in the congressional black caucus. he is inciting racial tension in our country. this is very irresponsible. instead of debating and talking about the failures of the progressives and their policies, he is going around in his little puppet road show in the black communities and these little meetings, complaining and spewing this racial rhetoric which is very irresponsible. he's trying to rip up these individuals and, you know, this is all in an effort to get black voters to get out and vote. this is what this is about. this is racial politics and it is wrong. martha: you know, you think back to nancy pelosi's saying the tea party movement was astroturf and wasn't anything real and clearly, with this very strong reaction, and racist reaction is what alan west is calling it as well, there is a huge element here that this is a force to be reckoned with and the backlash is very evident. let's look at another piece of sound here to put it together, so

>> sean: add to this, andre carson, making, you know, back to jim crow and republicans want blacks hanging and people can go to hell and they are sons of bitches and racists and terrosts and the real enemy. >> no concern over the rhetoric from me democrats. martin bashir, i hear nothing but crickets when left wingers make those kind of racist statements. what this republican is saying he doesn't want to go to a campaign event. he has every right not to go. talking about being under president al, the president and his staff were being under president alibi playing politics, trying to pre-- trying to preempt the debate and they got called out on it. the second narrative, if it is not class warfare the second narrative is going to be race. they are going to throw that at every opportunity. you disagree with him, because you are a racist. >> sean: i'm going to take you back 20 months ago, 12 months ago, and seven months ago. deja vu all over again. touting the president's next jobs speech. amazing how similar it is. watch this. >> the president made it crystal clear he knows what the top issue

congressman andre carson. we will talk to a member of the c d.c. >> she was tearful. that's what i wrote. if i had wanted to say she was crying, i would have said that. >> condoleeza rice furious because she believes former vice president dick cheney has disrespected her. laura ingraham will provide analysis. >> read my lips. no new taxes. >> the great american news quiz, the presidential edition. >> this fellow claims he's the new thomas jefferson. >> how much do you know about the gop guys in the white house? >> let me tell you something, i knew thomas jefferson. >> caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. factor factor begins right now -- "the factor" begins right now. >> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. fascinating poll. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. surveys terrible news for president obama. 62% of americans now disapprove of how he's handling the economy, just 32% approve. it's armageddon for the white house. however, mr. obama is not completely out of it because the economy could rally and in the same

democratic indiana congressman andre carson has decided to get in on the bashing.ten to what he had to say. >> the >> sean: fox news reached out to congressman carson's office. a spokesman confirmed the remarks and said he believes members of the tea party are ones that are standing in the way. he used the strong language because he believes that agenda jeopardizes the most vulnerable. joining me with reaction mike meyers. radio talk show host soon to be a daytime television host starting september 19th, great american himself, bill cunningham. all right, tea party members are terrorists. they can go straight to hell. racist. now he's saying tea party movement would love to see you and me hanging on a tree. >> this guy is the no pun intended the whip of the congressional black caucus. this rhetoric is ignorant, repugnant, regressive, vile, racial rhetoric after racial idiocy, which is the usual fare for the congressional black choir. >> sean: choir? >> choir because they sing the same song of separatism and peddling racial poison. >> sean: bill cunningham, where is

another congressman andre carson they are racist they want to see african-americans hanging from treest lectured the country on civility after tucson. but he says he's not going to be the speech police now. tonight would have been the opportunity to take on the extreme rhetoric of his party. do people think he's being hypocritical? >> i think we have a president who always doesn't do what he says. we think he's going to do one thing he does the opposite. >> he was civil tonight. >> yes. he was civil tonight. however, he does not follow through. >> it is the first time he didn't blame bush, i was shocked. >> hypocritical and frankly serving his own political party. >> when you don't have an issue you can articulate well there seems to be this default to race. >> we are trusting a guy to create jobs who has never created a job. how does that work? >> i don't know he defaults to race. i think he's doing what he can. and i think congress -- if congress can come together then maybe things will be better. i'm not saying he's not at fault, somewhat. >> it goes back to he needs support. from d

. >> i think the summation of all three, especially andre carson's is concerning to us.have to get away from that. which is something the president said we were going to tone down this rhetoric in january. growth get he was on the stage 20 minutes after hoffa said that he wasn't there, his colleagues could have told him about it and he could have said something but he didn't. >> he still has not said anything. >> greta: you are right. thursday night are you going to his speech? >> of course. i think you should be there any time the president is willing to talk. i'm very concerned about what his points are going to be. if it is going to be a retread of the same talking points. i would like to see the president give us something in writing. give us a plan that we can study and maybe bring it up to vote. another speech is not what the american people need right now. >> greta: are you optimistic that he is going to come armed with something different? i reluctantly use the term armed. >> i'm military, it is okay. >> greta: do you expect them to come with a specific plan or j

. >> sean: why didn't the president when the congressman andre carson, when he said tea party membersp it. instead his answer was we are not going to be the speech police. >> why didn't he. you didn't hear anything from jesse jackson, al sharpton, not that you would. you didn't hear from the black caucus members ear, only representative west. for obama not to make a comment, he should have said something. >> it is a missed opportunity. that speech he gave today that campaign speech from the rose garden that's going to soothe a lot of ruffled feathers in the liberal wing of the democratic party. >> sean: i think you are right. this was a speech to get back the base. it doesn't help with independents. >> amazing analysis that's exactly right. what the speech was -- you think that he thinks for a minute he's going to get anything through this congress? no. if you are going to get something out there as a message you have to get it to the base. he needs to get 'em back before he can work on independents. >> sean: let me ask you this -- serious question. the only reason he won is because h

maxine waters recently made a comment up in detroit, and representative andre carson, democrat of indiana, of indianapolis made this comment recently. i want to get your reaction. >> we have seen change in congress. the tea party itself has changed. this is beyond symbolic change. this is the effort that we are seeing of jim crow. >> host: ellis cose? traneighty we are looking at political rhetoric here, and political rhetoric seems to be extreme. i don't think that certainly in terms of the articulated public positions you're going to fight any tea party leadership saying we want second class citizens, or that we want people in sticking. that's jus just a part of the rhetoric. and i think many of them are sincere about that. they recognize that this is a different america, that you can't take america back to the 1940s, to the 1950s. but at the same time i think what they are expressing is they are frustrated. they're not quite sure where they fit in. they are not quite sure where things are going. and they are angry. but now i don't think they'll organize themselves into lynch mobs. >> h

asked about those comments later, andre carson defended his remarks to cnn. >> i stand on the truth ofany group. >> reporter: as the tea party extres was launch is its latest bus tour across the country, the group's chair woman seemed to wear some of the criticisma badge of honor. >> we have them running scared right now. we are a threat to their leftist liberal agenda and they don't know what to do. >> reporter: another tea party leader herman cain argues the movement is inclusive. >> i would know racism if i saw it. i do not see it, nor have i experienced it in the tea party movement. ♪ >> reporter: but there are other tea party questions brewing, such as some of the small crowds at its event and there is infighting. when the tea party express recently allowed mitt romney to speak at a gathering this weekend another tea party group freedom works bailed from the bus tour. they will protest romney some call the father of obamney care. >> he knew seeks to the tea party movement in new hampshire and around the country. >> reporter: doubt i needs the tea party movement now? >> i do. i thi

representative andre carson holds a leadership role in the congressional black caucus. this audio of him speaking at an event in florida last week surfaced on the website the blaze.com. >> the tea party is that change. this is the effort that we're seeing of jim crow, so many folks in the tea party that would love to see us as second class citizens. megyn: joining me now kevin jackson of the blacks sphere.net. and author of the big black lie. and jamu green, a fox news contributor now we have tea party groups calling on representative carson to immediately resign and we have congressman allen west who is part of the congressional black caucus calling on its chairman to condemn these comments and disassociate the black caucus from these types of remarks. does he have a point. >> he does have a point. it was back in march of 2010 when representative clyburn said if members of congress were participating in the types of attacks and terrorist language that we saw coming from the tea party, you know, that if they participated then they were aiding and abetting. i think he ma

andre carson who said there are people sitting in congress right now who want to see african-americansged from trees. everybody's giving a pass on a piecemeal basis, and do you think, you know, collectively it amounts to something more in your view, dick? >> well, sure. i mean, when rick perry calls the head of the fed, ben bernanke, from dylan, south carolina, his conduct treasonous and he gets a pass? >> he didn't get a pass. people like me stood up and said it was wrong. it was wrong for him to say that. a lot of republicans did stand up and say that. >> not many. not many, brad. >> type of hate speech. megyn: go ahead, dick. i'll let you respond, and then we're going to go to the president of after his opening remarks. you're not going to misany of the substance, but he's going to say his hellos. go ahead, dick. >> all i'm saying is, brad, it's a vacation day. take a deep breath. if worst thing we hear today from all the political speeches is what jimmy hoffa jr. said, it's going to be a quiet labor day, where's the rhetoric -- megyn: but, dick, it was the president who called for

andre carson saying they want to see blacks hanging from trees, that is utterly outrage us. they should be concerned about the 50% black unemployment among teens, that is what the focus should be on, not playing the race card. martha: i haven't seen the president as fired up as he was when he spoke to the cbc late last week. there has been -- let me say this first, there has been a lot of reaction from maxine waters and others speaking out to the president saying, you know, you're not doing enough you need to get fired up, mr. president, and here was his reaction when he spoke to this group on thursday or friday i believe. let's look. >> i'm going to press upon for the sake of all those families who are struggling right now. i don't have time to feel sorry for myself, i don't have time to complain, i'm going to press on. i want all of you to be with me and express one. take off your bedroom slippers. put on your marching shoes. shake it off. stop complaining. stop grumbling, stop crying, we are going to press on. we've got work to do. cbc. martha: what's your reaction? >> in

tuesday morning he's considering leaving the group in light of comments made by representatives andre carsondemocrat of indiana, the caucus whip, who said at a town hall that mean tea party-affiliated members of congress are see -- see african-american as second-class citizens and would be happy to see blacks hanging from a tree. when you start using words such as lynching that's a reprehensible word, west said on "fox & friends." and giffords recovers. the idea of challenging arizona representative gabery elgiffords for her congressional seat was once unthinkable but a few potential candidates are starting to test the political climate. too soon? yes, says arizona political analyst michael o'neil. host: that's in "the washington times" this morning. and as is this article. "9/11 donations overseer of aid." host: last call on government stimulus spending, denver, democrat, hi. caller: good morning, peter. am i on? host: you are. caller: first of all, i want to say i am very much in favor of the stimulus. i am in my 80's and i lived through the great depression which this recession can't comp

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talked about civility, i think we continue to see the people on the left in the democrat party, andre carsonlack caucus making a statement about members of the tea party and certain folks in congress want to see black americans hang from trees and there's no place for this. >> absolutely. 9/11, 10 years from 9/11 coming up on sunday. you have a movie coming out. focusing on what with an announcement today? >> well, what we're going to do is people came to me and they wanted to have a venue on capitol hill to show a story about the survivors of 9/11 and also about the mosque that they are proposing to build there and i think that the house of representatives are the people's house and i am hosting this movie to be shown because we cannot forget what happened at 9/11. 9/11 is the pearl harbor of the modern day of the 21st century. and when we talk about, you know, building the mosque in the city of 9/11, we would not erect a memorial to japanese navy ship in pearl harbor. i think that's the type of consideration that we must look at. >> not only did you forget but you fought and you're serving