it would be more exciting if we learned that andrea merkle was having an affair with john carey. >> oh what? >> that's the same level of this kind of thing. this will go away fast. it will not ierrupt any of the discussions. any of the discussions going forward. the eu wants it. we want it. it will work. >> why would they try and rattle the cage here? what is the end game? >> if they boycott us it is to their own detriment. trade helps everyone involved and to the extent the eu cuts it off, i think theyre shooting themselves in the the united states is still the most prosperous, the mt individualistic and the most capitalistic country on earth. it does hurt us in terms of our reputation on the world stage. o -- we have lost the bailouts and our reputations as the world's defender. we don't need trade talks. we need to practice what we prch, protection of free trade and protection of dividual rights. >> do you agree? protection of fr trade. >> the way this international game works is all of your spying needs to be kept in secret. once it becomes public, then it becomes an issue and it f