another is andreas paepcke, a research scientist at stanford we have reached out to see if he is, in fact, the same person we'll get back with a statement from him this brings out the emotional and familial relationships playing out alongside all of this legal and billions of dollars of crypto drama. >> as you say, and we were all wondering who was underwriting that bond. eamon javers in washington >>> the recent monthly reports on industrial production, on retail sales, on jobs, all coming in better than expected some expecting it will reinforce the rate hiking strategy will this result in a recession later this year? sam zell of equity group investments joins me here at post 9 it's good to see you >> good to see you, sara >> there has been a rethink about recession. is that something you still expect >> i haven't gone through that rethinking >> you're still negative >> no. negative is the wrong word, but when you spread out free money for years at a time, you create significant drag and i just don't see how we're going to avoid a slowdown as that whole process comes to an end. >> i