and a good friend of mine and a person for whom i have the highest respect for his career is andrei sakharovsing hasn't been mentioned once, and i was -- his name has been mentioned once and i'm wondering if it reflects a judgment that really did the human rights movement beyond his bomb building was not much of a factor in the course of events, am i correct, or is that anything you could add to that? >> well, i think he was a presence were very well aware of. i believe by the time i took office he was banished to corky, but we could see here's a man who stood up to this regime. i think it was over continued testing which he objected to end was very clear about it. so he stood up to the regime and he was banished. but we kept come we always will we thought we had a big human rights agenda, he was audit. and when gorbachev came to power, well, he thought sakharov would come back to moscow and she had, i called on him a couple of times. you told me you called on him once at the neighbors were objecting because the symphony came and played for them and they said it's too noisy around here get w