andrew bacevich, let me come back to you. if the u.s.ng with iraq were to do what secretary panetta just described, were to have the support of the allies in the region, countries in the region why isn't that the way to move forward now? >> again, with all due respect we don't know how to do this. i mean, we were in -- the u.s. military was in iraq from 2003, and 2011 four years later we have this basket case on our hands. i think it's important for us to recognize that there are some problems that american military might cannot solve, and this order and dysfunction in this part of the world is at the very top of the list of those problems. so it is true that we have an interest in restoring stability to that part of the world. what's not true is that american military power is the way to make that happen and therefore i think it's important to widen the discussion, to consider the possibility that there may be others in the region better able to bring about stability than we ourselves can do. >> woodruff: michele flournoy why not? why n