andrew bacevich, respond.utting i think she is a fairly optimistic take on the prognosis in libya. and i think senator sanders' critique of her interventionism, her pension for interventionism, deserves a far more serious response than she offers. she tends to shrug off the iraq vote. libyands to shrug off the experience as, well, we did our best and so what. amy: isn't she just trying to get away from it because, i mean, you could say that that is one of the key reasons that president obama is president today? he opposed the iraq war to voted for it, and now she is dealing samethe same things for -- thing with bernie sanders who continually races that key issue that she voted for the war in iraq? the point here is one that needs to look the on partisanship. that is to say, who gets the better in these debates? me real issue that seems to never gets fully addressed is this larger question of what the militarization of u.s. policy in particular in the islamic world of nowlded over a period several decades? the