andrew bacevich?ne would say given that kind of warning from a very senior official, highly respected senior official, why didn't we go ahead and do it anyway? i think are two answers. one is europeans so desperately wantedo join nato and to join the eu, seizing their chance to have democracy, to have liberalism, to have the possibility prosperity. my maternal grandparents came from lithuania. let the when he was in the vanguard of countries that wanted to join the eu and nato. i don't blame the the when you people for that desperation. and in many respects, joining nato in the eu has paid dividends for leather when you. that said, it was done in the face of objection by the russians and now we're paying the consequences of those objections. the other reason we did it, of course, apart from what i think is really kind of a deep-seated phobia that pervades many members of the american elite, was the belief at that time, back in the 1990's, the belief that russia quit doing think about it all stepped ru

amy: andrew bacevich, your sponse?i think i'm am a little less sympathetic president biden is a seasoned statesman. he has been around for quite a while. he should have learned to think before he speaks. i think his comment was reckless and damaging. let's reverse the situation. imagine it president pun said some public event that he inteed to annex all of ukraine and subsequtly to suppoers try to "walk back that comment." i think u.s. government would y, putin is theuy in charge, his words are authoritative. i think biden -- this war has tond with a negotiated settlement. the terms have to be agreeable to president zelenskyy. we have absolutely no business inserting the u.s. views into what the war's end should look like. we should butt out. amy: you think it is going to make it harder to negotiate? and how central do you think should be biden's role in negotiation toward a cease-fire? we were just speaking with jan's fair caucus last week, the former finance minister of greece, who said, clearly, biden should be play