and then andrew farly is the co-founder of c.t. strategies. which provides strategic advice to clients seeking current innovative insight into border management and supply chain challenges in the u.s. and around the world. he's a former customs and border protection official. certainly physical security and resiliency play a significant role in protecting transportation in the supply chain sector, as well as the critical infrastructure as a whole. over the course of several years and i spoke to the moderator of this panel for -- he moderated the panel for the last several years, i mentioned to him cyber security. he said we've been migrating from the physical to the virtual and talking more about cyber security. and i thought that, you know, particularly looking at chronology of events after 9/11, we certainly focused on physi l physical -- re-looking and reevaluating security for critical infrastructure. and over that course of time, i think there's been tremendous strides made, not only on securing the critical infrastructure, but on resilie