. _ agenda, the one advocated by andrew fisher. lost_ agenda, the one advocated by andrew fishereavily in 2019 and you cannot try— fisher, lost heavily in 2019 and you cannot try to say to the electorate, renationalise electricity, as frankie _ renationalise electricity, as frankie has said, when you cannot pay for— frankie has said, when you cannot pay for that— frankie has said, when you cannot pay for that and the priority would be building homes, which we have in affordable _ be building homes, which we have in affordable homes, we don't have nearly— affordable homes, we don't have nearly enough, we are a million short. _ nearly enough, we are a million short. the — nearly enough, we are a million short, the priority would be green investment of the kind that keir starmer— investment of the kind that keir starmer and rachel reeves have set out, 28 _ starmer and rachel reeves have set out, 28 billion every year. a programme to regenerate the economy and take _ programme to regenerate the economy and take it — programme to regenerate the economy and take it down a greener path

joining us on the programme is andrew fisher and rina shah.s. we have to start with russia and there are so many different strands coming out of russia today and because we have heard from patrick there, talking about those controversial cluster munitions provided by the us, so if i could ask you, this is a controversial weapon, provided by the us, and a difficult decision to make? i the us, and a difficult decision to make? ., �* ~' the us, and a difficult decision to make? ., �* ~ .,, ., make? i don't think it was a difficult decision _ make? i don't think it was a difficult decision for - make? i don't think it was a difficult decision forjoe - make? i don't think it was a l difficult decision forjoe biden make? i don't think it was a - difficult decision forjoe biden and difficult decision forjoe biden and it is in lockstep with how he has behaved the entire time. on ukraine he is slow walking with support in the opinion of many, especially those on capitol hill who wish he would do more and faster, but in terms of cluster munitions, it is

sure it's going to make a huge difference when all is said and joining us on the programme is andrew fishercould start with you, you heard him say china wouldn't be the country it is essentially if it were not for henry kissinger. is that right? not for henry kissinger. is that riuht? . �* , not for henry kissinger. is that riht? . �*, . , not for henry kissinger. is that riuht? . �*, .,, h, not for henry kissinger. is that riuht? , �*, not for henry kissinger. is that riuht? , right? that's a big claim. it's a bi right? that's a big claim. it's a his claim but _ right? that's a big claim. it's a big claim but i _ right? that's a big claim. it's a big claim but i don't _ right? that's a big claim. it's a big claim but i don't think- right? that's a big claim. it's a big claim but i don't think it's. big claim but i don't think it's that far off, henry kissinger was pivotal, in so many ways, how can we lead the way, instead of doing that you know his visit is quite bizarre to me. in a time where there's a lot of chatter in the united states about what china is to us any more and china is not