so in terms of squashing the stigma forbid, we have people like andrew flintoff and jeremy paxman andn before my generation. they are the ones who stigmatise it the most because they don't have any knowledge of what it is like to feel like you have a mental health problem or to deal with on a day—to—day basis, the things that someone who is normal would do for someone who is normal would do for someone with mental health problems, thatis someone with mental health problems, that is massive, and people don't get that. but now with time to change, and mental health awareness days, it is definitely changing, for the better, and it is making it a lot easier to talk about things. do you still find sometimes that you are having to say to people, it is an illness, it is notjust they can't be bothered to get out of bed that day. it is interesting. it definitely helps having high profile people including politicians talking about it. the first ftse 100 chief executive talking about it, the chief executive of wh smith is talked about his partner's bipolar. we need to see a lot more about that i