take andrew hitt for example. be claiming look, we were just following the advice of legal counsel. we weren't trying to do anything nefarious. those are the kind of people you want to subpoena, whether you're congress or just the government doing a criminal investigation. those are the people who will feel like they were used and going to be more than willing to volunteer documents and possibly testimony. it's a time-worn strategy to go after the people who have lesser liability or no liability because those are the folks when they get a subpoena that say i don't want any trouble. i'm just going to cooperate. >> so do any of these alleged false electors though open themselves up to legal liability by cooperating with the committee? >> anyone whoever cooperates with the government or subpoena or anything like that and turns over documents potentially exposes themselves to some kind of liability, criminal or otherwise. that's always a possibility, coming from me a criminal defense attorney i'm being overly cautious