the governor of tennessee was suggesting that andrew jackson give up as well. and jackson refused by his whose enlistment had pretty much run out. they went home in droves. jackson, considered to be mutiny. essentially, they were just. going home to tend to their farms at the expiration of the time of service. and he found himself in the early weeks of the spring of 1814 with only a few dozen men under his command and a few loyal officers. the madison administration, though belatedly, that it couldn't leave the deep south in registered cans because there was the growing threat of a british invasion of the gulf coast and as napoleon was defeated in europe and the idea of a british joining forces with the red sticks that would almost guarantee british and indian control the deep south. so jackson got reinforcements and march 1814, he led a column of just 3000 soldiers against the one remaining untouched. red stick bastion. the red sticks had broken up into into three groups, and they had three, three fortified places in alabama that they defended. and last one tha

white fang, bloody side to andrew jackson and his disregard for black americans and native americans. he has been thinking -- sinking by scholars. donald trump has praised jackson. on the right, he is having a renaissance. but in the presidential scholar world, he is moving downward. i saw a documentary on calvin coolidge, he is having an upward revision because like eisenhower, integrity matters. like jimmy carter. people will judge character as not just the defining thing -- some people said fdr would never let his -- he could make up stories. i am not talking about the moral right to tune. -- moral rectitude. but feeling it was honest and you were treated like respect. >> we appreciate>> good afternoe director of the john w -- library of congress. this center is one of the sponsors of this year's festival and are proud to bring beloved writers here.

today peters here to discuss his newest book titled a brutal reckoning andrew jackson the creek indiansnd the epic war for the american south. a final panelists today to my immediate left is chris who is the creator, host, lead writer legends of the old west longform narrative podcast that tells true stories of the american west produce a masters degree in journalism from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. as one numerous local, state, national awards for his writing great today chris is here to discuss his first book titled the summer of 1876. now let's begin our discussion and i propose to deal with the books in order the authors were just introduced which means i will throw couple questions to emily first. for those of you who have not had a chance to read her book emily is 1000 pages left behind is detachment 101 of the u.s. army that operated behind japanese lines in the burma theater of world war ii. the unit in which her father served. japanese had rolled the victories against both us and the british in southeast asia ever since pearl harbor lea

andrew jackson doesn't even really show up. like for the first third of the book, he's he's more of a character for the last two thirds of the book. so much the beginning of the book centers on the creek indians themselves investigating their culture the way back to their first brush with hernando de. how did you get at the creek indians? what kind of sources and, and how were you able to capture their story? because their story does come through vividly. it's difficult to find that you were in native american history. the harder it is to obtain any sort of accounts mirror of the indians or of of of whites who interacted with them, we're just kind of like are real on the south at the time, the outbreak of the war of 1812, when the heart of the action of the book occurs, it was up between puerto diversity, the cherokee, the the chickasaw nation, the chickasaw and choctaw at the time occupied most of modern day mississippi. the creeks. to give you an idea how significant they were as a people they controlled all of modern alabama

more keen awareness of what it was with indian removal and kind of, you know blood eastside to andrew jacksonnd his disregard particularly for black americans and native americans. so, he has been seeking estimation by a lot of scholars. donald trump had raised jackson and ass a populist trump right, jackson is having a bit of a renaissance. and the presidential scholar world, he is moving downward. i recentlyri saw a good documentary on calvin coolidge. he is starting to have a little bit of an upward revision. because, like eisenhower in the end, integrity matters. the long length of history. not just the defining thing, someut people said fdr, you kno, would never let his right hand know where his left hand was. i am not talking about this more elected to, but feeling that you were an honest broker and with e white house. >> as always, we appreciate you spending a few minutes talking with us at c-span on book tv. thank you so much. >> now more from the 2023 library of the congress national book festival. >> good afternoon. i am kevin butterfield. it is my pleasure to introdu

andrew jackson. i, too, have a hero haim weitzman. he is the greatest -- who ever lived. he is an old and sick man. and he just wants to talk to you. you won't see him. that's not like you. and at that point, grandpa started drumming his fingers on his, which eddie knew from long was a sign that he was changing his mind. and grandpa swiveled around in his chair, and he what eddie described, he wrote this what eddie described as the most beautiful words he's ever heard. grandpa said, all right, you bald headed son of --. you win. i'll see weitzman at 11 minutes after midnight on may 14th, 1948, the united states, the first country to recognize the independent state of israel. my grandfather, he always he always bemoaned the fact that he thought he too emotional. but there are only three instances that i know where people have seen tears in his eyes. one was at the death of his old friend and press secretary ross. the other was at the death of his eddie jacobson. and the third was when the ambassador's grandfather, rabbi herzog, told him that god had put him in his mother's

andrew jackson doesn't really show upw for the first third of the book.e's more of a character for the last two-thirds of the book. so much of the beginning of the book centers on the creek indians themselves investigating their culture all the way back to their first brush with hernando de soto. how did you get at the creek indians? what kind ofes sources and -- hw were you able to the capture their story because their story does come through vividly. >> it's difficultly the harder it is to obtain any sort of primary accounts of indians themselves or -- of whites who interacted with them but just real r quickly on the south, at the time of the outbreak of the war of 1812, the heart of the action of the book occurs, it was divided up between tribes, cherokee, the creek, the chickasaw and the choctaw, occupied most of modern mississippi. the creeks to giveek you an idea how significant they were to people, they controlled all of modern alabamall and all of western georgia. they were a huge power and they also made possible their existence made possible to

it seemed likely that andrew jackson would become president of the united states. he detested, jackson. he still was idealist enough to think that american state was failing and would come out to a calmer. still unnerves him considerably that what he had always believed would be the case, did not seem that it would be the case. jefferson always believed -- jefferson was sort of the paradox as an elitist leader. he had populist ideas, he always believed that the population would elect superior leaders like himself. it did not seem like that was going to happen. from washington, he wrote a charming letter to his oldest granddaughter. it's been very long since i received a letter from you. when was it? in the meantime, versus eclipsed from newspapers had been accumulated, i find it necessary to get them off my hands without further waiting. with them, i send an avc from cornelia. another granddaughter, four years old. the little recipe about charcoal is worth your mother's notice. here we have frost, ice, and snow. great damage in the gardens and orchards. how stands t

>> your book about andrew jackson but for all of them, what role does the terrain these people in history are planning on, how does it impact their campaign? >> that's an excellent question, america's wars against indians, they had an advantage in knowing o the terrain and how to make te best use of it in 1791 and st. clair stumbled against all the way to fighting the apaches and the west. the indians had terrain in many cases compensated for the numbers they had. it was relevant in the creek war, to because it was incognito and they were going along blindly. >> it was a huge part of the battle. if you have a couple never been there, series and you can set up where the bottles happens you can trace the movement of the soldier by the tombstone where n they died they moved through e hills and they did a pretty good job marching roughly where they found the bodies and the monumentnt is a key position whe you can walk around the perimeter where hundreds of soldiers were tracked and you could down where the warriors would swarm up and you look at the hills and imagine what it would be like to

it seemed likely that andrew jackson would soon become president of the united states. he detested jackson. he still was an idealist enough to think that the american ship sailing through turbulent waters would come out into a calm or sea. it still unnerved him considerably that what he had always believed would be the case did not seem it would be the case. jefferson always believed that -- jefferson is the paradox of an elitist leader with populist ideas who always believed that the population would elect superior leaders like himself. and it didn't seem like that was going to happen. let me provide a lighter note. from washington, he wrote in 1805, a charming letter to his eldest granddaughter. is very long, my dear, since i have received a letter from you. when was it? in the meantime, versus, which she clipped from newspapers have been accumulated so i find it necessary to get them off my hands without further waiting. with them i send an abc for ms. cornelia, another granddaughter, four years old, the little recipe about charcoal is worth your mom is notice. here w

this is not general custer in the 1800s, this is not the trail of tears with andrew jackson in the 1700s, it's 2023 and it shows you what they're doing with their technology and their artificial intelligence and and they brag every day about the the evolution of technology so that they can exterminate the indigenous people of the middle east and palestine, i've never been so incensed and ashamed. i was born seeing grenada, the us military invasion of grenada, the us dirty war on nicaragua, the us bomb. of panama and we can go through the littny, the laundry lists of genocidal attacks, but to crystallize in this moment, what does it say about the western world? this is the zionist death trop, regardless of what happens, independent of what happens in the next week, month, year, how do the neighbors of zionism of israel see israel, there'll never be peace as long as israel is maroding, genocidal machine, all right, danny, stay with me, please, i'm going to cross back over to beirout with mariam, mariam, uh, our other guest was just talking about the overall situation on the ground in the u

they are all in line for the judge which strangely looks like andrew jackson himself. [laughter] the other thing he did besides letting us know all children should be in books. every child should be able to find somebody int a picture book that looks a little bit like them. the other thing he did was used tos, settings. writing most of the children's books were in the country, the suburbs, in front of beauty in the city and all the books are set in that environment. you think about somebody is somn the world around the journey of 1000 miles begins with one step. he made a giant step in setting diversity into our children's literature and in the world of literature onto its' head. we are not there yet we have a lot to do but he got it started. crooks talk about harper lee. mark's first won a pulitzer prize or the most important moment in our lives. took one of the most women i know in my lifetime and hurt the most in terms of aspirations but not in terms of response. after the pulitzer as before the pulitzer trenton away shoot right other books her answer was i didn't h

back in the day after the civil war there was a consensus that people like abraham lincoln and andrew jackson had overstepped their bounds. they went too far . the proper role of a president to execute the law but not tread on the purview of the legislative branch. so by those standards, the standards of that time, most of these guys were doing exactly what they should've according to that line of thought. by not being too forceful. respecting the boundaries of the executive and legislative branches. this might help explain the way of ohio presidents have fared in historical ranking. it but we will see those rankings will change over time. let's talk about ohio and national politics on the post- civil war. starting with the white house. it is an era of political influence, unprecedented in u.s. history, by any standard objectively. from 1860 to 1900, nine presidential elections. in ohio, it was one of the major candidates in all but one of those elections. the sole exception was the election of 1884, the candidates from new york and maine. not one, but i was cleveland native. in any case goin

most notably president andrew jackson in what was it, 1830 with the indian removal act and essentially what what what they were trying to do was exterminate native american tribes. and when that didn't work, they tried other things. so in any case native american, women were just seen as not valuable and weren't protected. you know, they weren't seen as really human, i think. and that's one reason that this has gone on for so long and. and then the other thing is there are some structural issues as mentioned, one huge issue is the jurisdiction problem and what happens. a native american woman goes missing. it depends on where she is in terms of who is going to actually search for her. and let's say it's on the reservation and it's a very large reservation and a lot of reservations do not have more than a few tribal officers. and the other thing that happens is often when a young woman goes missing. her family will come to the police and say, you know, my daughter is missing, doesn't do this. i'm worried about her. and if the person the young woman is over age or 18 or 20, 21, the respo

right after the civil war, there was a consensus among many people that people like abraham and andrew jackson had overstepped their bounds. they had gone too far, and that the proper role of a president was to execute the laws, but not tread on the purview of the legislative branch. and so by those standards the standards of that time, most of these guys were doing exactly what they should have been doing. according to that line of thought, by not being too forceful and respecting the boundaries of the executive and legislative branches. so this might help explain way of ohio presidents have fared in historical rankings, but as we'll see some of those rankings change over time. so let's talk about ohio national politics and the post-civil war, starting with the white house. it is truly an era of political influence almost unprecedented in u.s. by any objective standard, from 1868 to 1900, there were nine presidential elections, 68, 72, 76, 80, 84, 88, 92, 96, 1900. ohio was one of the two major candidates in all but one of those elections. the sole exception was the election of 1884. the two

and and so what you see gradually under, you know, especially under andrew jackson, is a sense that native people, for their own good need be removed to, make way for white settlers and for the expansion of cotton. the scot is talking about the indian removal proper. best known, better known as the indian dispossession act. you know, get signed 30 and so the federal government is then as to moving indigenous people so from from florida from the carolinas you know from, arkansas people west and dispossessed relocated in oklahoma. so when it says there's good reason to think of oklahoma as being part of an extended south that that's that's one big reason why that would be the case and the others thinking back on and with one observation we tend to think about violent dispossession of native americans, especially in the west and all of the tradition of western movies in the violence that it depicts of. u.s. calvary men versus indians. but it's worth remembering the bloodiest war against american was fought in florida. the wars which go there, three of them. and so the violent occupation of fl

i know that if he had the chance -- and we had andrew jackson. he flipped everything on its head.gress was taken away. and another thing, i believe that the confederates committed treason and should have been hung. host: let's focus on that, what happened to former confederates after the war? it speaks -- guest: there was a person who said earlier that we should not say what lincoln should have done. there is some fairness to that. the truth is that everybody on all sides treated lincoln as a martyr and said, if only lincoln had lived, reconstruction would have worked out far better. everybody tried to use him in some way. i appreciate 70 people calling in, who have their own handhold on this. a lot of us have -- it is great to sort through the meaning of it all. but i feel like i am dodging your question. your question was? yes, he was vague about that. he was feeling his way. he wanted each state to set up a new government that would be loyal to the union and they would allow black men to vote. it was after his death that amendments to the constitution would make that a requirem

so in 1901, before that change, progressive governor andrew jackson montagu was elected governor with200,000 votes. and the next election cycle, after this new constitution, 70,000 fewer voters were able to purchase two space. so that's a drop of like a significant number of voters who were recorded in that first election that did not vote in that second election. right. so these are the new rules. the new numbers here were vastly smaller or scale of voters participating in the election. so progressives were the ones who pushed for election reform as good government movement that ended up handing the keys to the kingdom to the machine. so there's an irony here, too. the machine initially resisted this idea and the progressives were pushing it, not really knowing kind of how would actually work when they implemented these rules as it turned out, the machine benefited from this tremendously, kept them in power for decades to come. they did not know it at the time. so as it turns out, one of the chief beneficiary beneficiaries of this new jim crow system was none other than the machine i

the life and times of andrew jackson but even when i write about other subjects and even when i write about a period or a subject, it always focuses on the individuals because that is the way i tend to interpret history and that is what draws me to history and i think it's when of the reasons this biography as a genre is more popular in history as a genre and some of you will remember your history class from high school with something less than exciting. history classes in high school have a bad reputation and i think of somebody who used to teach history in high school. i still teach history in college and perhaps i have used this line in this auditorium and perhaps some of you will remember it. one of the groups i speak to, the university where i teach has an active continuing education program and this was for retired folks who had time on their hands and wanted to come and hear something about history. i preface something, i don't remember if i told this group the story before and a gentleman in the back and i said this 20 years ago and he did them in the back was probably 75 and

makes the top-tier brit as a second tier that usually has truman, eisenhower, kennedy and perhaps andrew jackson and theodore roosevelt. all of those people have something in common that matt brought out but i will shop -- sharpen further. usually a warm -- war the great depression, certain a domestic policy crisis. and/or their people who change the institution of the presidency itself. that would be under jackson and theodore roosevelt. this makes perfect sense for conventional history. you like drama and crises. like to say the person did things. even if you think, as i do, my opinion. woodrow wilson was largely a disaster, his legacy was a do master and franklin roosevelt did almost everything wrong. we still talk about those great present because there on the scene for all of this. we got there it and rank them entirely. coolidge had the misfortune from a conventional point of view of dr. ingram in times, although that is not quite right. i think john cochran in the last panel had a very good point about how coolidge did not get in the way. there could be five or 10 or 100 good books writte

it's the life and times of andrew jackson or ronald reagan. but even when i write about other subjects, even when i write about a period or a subject, it always focuses on, it hinges on these individuals. because that's the way i just tend to interpret history. and that's that's what draws me to history. and i think it's one of the reasons that biography as a genre is more popular than history as a genre. some of you will remember your history class from high school where something less than excitement, history classes in high school have a bad reputation. and i speak as somebody who used teach history in high school. i still teach history in college and perhaps i've used this line in this auditorium and perhaps some of you will remember it, although one of the groups that i speak to, the university of texas, where i teach a very active continuing education program, and this for retired folks who now have time on their hands and want to come and just hear something about history. and i preface something that i was going to say, but i don't rem

this was the same region andrew jackson had grown up by the late 1750s. patton was evidently enough to sign his name to back country protestant dissenters petition criticizing the established anglican church, abraham patton's james was a storekeeper who had died in debt in the carolinas and from and from 1763 to 68. abraham patton worked at least for a time as a wheelwright and owned about 100 acres in salisbury township, pennsylvania. he married martha crawford in philadelphia in 1766. and by end of the decade, he had moved with her to. baltimore over the next five years, he celebrated the baptisms of three newborn daughters. he pursued a couple of runaway white servants. and in january 1775, he sold a young black man named sam to dol dol in frederick county. one gets the impression of a man who is restless, ruthless and he was in new york during the summer of 1776, during the continental army's occupation of new york, the new york gazette and weekly notes a letter that had been left him at the local post office on july 15th by the time of his hanging. a

that would andrew jackson and theodore roosevelt. and so this makes perfect sense for conventional history. you like drama. you like great crises. you like to say all the person you know did things. and even if you think, as i do my opinion, just is that woodrow wilson was largely a disaster. whose legacy has been a disaster, and that franklin roosevelt did almost everything wrong. we still esteem those great presidents because were on the scene for all of this and to the great. they think they mastered them or we got it. we rank them very highly. and it is, i think, the wrong way to go about it. the point coolidge had the misfortune from the conventional point of view of governing during times, although even that's not quite. you know what i think john cochrane in the last panel made a very good point about how coolidge get in the way. there could be five or ten or 100 good books written about how and especially regulators will see some favorable happening and then try to get in front of the parade and just screw it all up. i'll jus