the trial of president andrew it johnson and fightl for lincoln legacy and andrew johnson second to lastn the list finally joined by c-span founding ceo and chairman, and long time on camera interview, er40 years -- of c-span interviews have been basis for nine books with public affairs including, of course, the president. brine has visited every presidential gravesite as well y vice presidential gravesite in the country and i think we will have to ask him about that in the course of this interview. so please joinn me in welcoming our panel. [applause] firstus a question for our historians. along with your biography of garfield you have written about abraham lincoln and convention we also have a day job as practice and lawyer what draws you to president and history in general? >> i've letting history for -- since the 1980s. .. was -- when i was a young lawyer, i was working for the senate governmental affairs committee in the 1970s. i was working for senator from illinois and i said i was assigned to work on a bill that became the civil service reform act of 1970. the product put on my d

andrew johnson, of course, second to last on the list. finally, brian lamb, c-span's founding ceo can and chairman and longtime on-camera interviewer. his 40 years have been the basis for nine books with public affairs including, of course, b"the presidents." i should also note that brian has visited every presidential grave site as well as every vice presidential grave site in the country, and i think we will have to ask hum about that in the course of this interview. so please join me in welcoming our panel. [applause] first, a question for our historians, ken, along with your boyle if my of garfield, you've written about abraham lincoln, his 1860 convention. you also have a day job as a practicing lawyer. what draws you to chronicling prime ministers and history in general? >> -- presidents and history in general? >> i've been writing history since the 1980s. what drew me to james garfield was when i wasme a young lawyern washington, i was working for what was then the senate governmental affairs committee back in the 1970s. i was work

and i want to look at the politics of the portrayal of andrew johnson's impeachment. and my primary works are going to be, stick since, the klansmen, the film tennessee johnson, and john f. kennedy's profiles encourage. my thesis is these work -- work -- weren't -- although political factors inevitably influenced impeachment, on the standard of high crimes and misdemeanors should occur only if there is a legal transaction -- transgression threatening the republic. profiles encourage. courage.files and this was sketches of senators who chose principle, patriotism, and rule by law over partisan politics. there's one chapter about his impeachment in which failed by conviction of one by one vote. these are the illustrations kennedy had for this chapter. here is a ticket to the impeachment trial. it lasted almost two months. then here is a cartoon of the senate chambers and here is edmund a rock, kennedy's hero. he was a kansas senator who sacrificed a career when he delivered the decisive vote to stave off conviction after johnson's impeachment on trumped up charges. fulfi

andrew m johnson. out oall of those we've measures highest point was 37th place in economic management, 275 out of the possible 1,000 but here we go at the last guess who it goes to, james buchanan. this one seems me a little bit. so bad that he is 30 points below into johnson and all the spokes are below harrison who died after one month in if they did a it is a negative y if you think of that. there's lots more about all these ratings on the site we created which is c-span dot/the presidents. you'll find interviews the chapters of the book is more about the reading categories and we also have links to the historical acts if you don't know about a particular war or in economic panic. we hope that all of you as we think about what you want out of a leader will look to these attributes as judging the democrats are vying for it and they are a great conversation starter so with that i'm going to turn it over to this terrific panel here are the presidents being featured today, andrew johnson who we mention

we survived with it andrew johnson. and if we don't do it, the congress will become a toothless paper tiger for those who don't understand the process, the court, where the president will be tried, is the senate with the chief justice presiding. the chief justice. all of these subpoenas that we want, we can get them through chief justice roberts. we will have a trial there. there will be prosecutors from the house called managers and they can get all of this evidence. that court is an inferior court when it comes to the question of impeachment. >> i'm only interjected. essential i invited jw on, i want to get him on one more time. the president clearly has decided that maximum stone walling and maximum impact is his way forward. based on your unique knowledge, do you think anything will move him? or does he look at a weak like this politically as exactly what

if you go back into the past, that's the argument against andrew johnson.thfully executing the job. that's part of the discussion if the democrats end up going forward with an impeachment at any point. >> eli, let's go with a history he is son. other presidents in this position took the exact opposite approach. you're talking bill clinton. he worked with republicans while he was under investigation. richard nixon while passed multiple pieces of legislation while water gate was going on. so how can the president and republicans make the argument that this is the only way to go. >> if you're applying logic, they can't. they can make it because so much of the country is preconditioned to accept whatever premise the president is going to put out there. regardless of whether it's facts or sort of based in the realm of logic and reason. and so that's a big part of where we are and why the president believes he can continue to push and get away with saying things that may not be true. sort of trying to find soft spots to continue to push the congress. he can do th

what is so interesting about those two that is different about now is in the andrew johnson case and i would argue in the clinton case you basically had an opposition party looking for something to impeach the person for the tenure of office act in andrew johnson's case where the clinton impeachment ended up, there was basically a party in search of the hammer with which to hit the president. what was so interesting about this moment and i think we'll be studying this forever is you now have both parties including the opposition party walking away from that fight and that is a very interesting thing and it may be good, it may be bad in terms of political opinion, political appetite for constant strife. i leave that to others. it is worth pointing out historically the republicans under and the andrew johnson era and the republicans in the clinton era wanted to make this happen. in the trump era, though we have enormous number of details sitting in front of us, both the republicans and democrats are moving the other direction. just an interesting sign in a partisan moment. >> jon and p

but this is really andrew johnson. this is really 101 years ago. 151 years ago. andrew johnson gave speeches where he attacked congress. he lashed out about conspiracy theories. he really did. in fact, many of the articles of impeachment against andrew johnson was congress listing the attacks he made on them that weren't entirely dissimilar from the ones we've seen today. so i think a lot of folks, if they can stand it, should do a little reading on what happened with andrew johnson, what happened with nixon. i suspect we're pretty close here. >> this is why we like to regularly check if with our friend john meacham on where we are presently. 11:35 eastern time on a wednesday night. john, thank you, as always, for coming on the broadcast. >>> coming up for us, more than 100 years ago, another president was embroiled in a legal dispute. veteran lawyer, legal analyst, and all around tv guy dan abrams writes about teddy roosevelt's little known court battle. a story you'll want to hear. he is with us when we come back. >>> this whole thing was a takedown attempt at

ultimately that moved the house of representatives to impeach andrew johnson.trial and not convicted by a single vote. just one vote away from getting the required two-thirds majority but it so damaged him politically by turning the entire national conversation away from his constant provocations and toward his debillibility and the things they believed he was doing wrong and that changed the politics of the country in a fund. al way and show it doesn't result in the removal of a president, did result in -- in the term ing vpin -- termination of his political aspirations. >> so there is your parallel scenario. david back over to you. we heard speaker pelosi saying she thinks trump is goading democrats to impeach him. do you think he wants to be impeached? >> no. he's -- he doesn't play the game with such complex moves. nancy pelosi may be doing reverse psychology of her own on the democrats. he's just a naked mall of need. and so i -- >> a naked ma of need. >> i take him completely literally when he finds it obscene and disgusting because he can't bear any kind

a lot of people do not know this, andrew johnson asked if he could delay being sworn in until april when tennessee had ofroved the abolishment slavery. foster would have become acting president of johnson was not sworn in by april 14. he could have been acting president. next guy is david harrell, a pharmacist assistant. he was picked by booth because he knew the geography and the territory of southern maryland quite well. they wanted him as a guide. he surrendered with booth on april 26 and was sentenced to hang also. atknow about mary surratt, the boardinghouse of sixth and h. she also owned the tavern in clinton, maryland. she is the first woman executed in united states history. mudd, set samuel booth's leg. his problem was when the authorities came to him he said i never saw the guy in my life before which turned out to not be true. he was pardoned -- he was sentenced and missed execution by one vote. he was sentenced to port jefferson. because of his efforts during the yellow fever epidemic at fort jefferson. , he was pardoned by andrew johnson. samuel arnold, former army he droppe

>> i think andrew johnson was almost of the preface of what we're seeing right now.ontation. he was trying to relax controls on the south, the radical republicans that were in control with congress, they wanted to use military force to make sure that the south respected the rights of african-americans and changed their ways from what it happened. so he basically deliberately defined thom. defied them by saying i don't ca care. i'm going to fire my secretary of war. they went to impeach him. they say he escaped a trial by one vote. that was 1868. that was an election year he could not be nominated for another term as president. >> does the impeachment sanction withstand acquittal. if you're acquitted are you still impeached and what does that do in terms of the way they historians view a president? >> it really depends on the case. in the richard nixon case as you said he never even made it to a house vote on impeachment before after nixon quit to avoid impeachment and conviction, he thought the house voted and said if there had been a vote we would have voted to impe

andrew johnson sent general o.oward, the first head of the freedmen's bureau and the hero of the civil war, to those black people living on those georgia sea islands to tell them that they had to give the land back to the former masters who had enslaved them. that's horrible. that was a horrible thing. they never had a chance to own land. i think by 1900, 20% of the african-americans in the south owned some kind of land, and that was not enough to create an economic base, create a middle-class that would have sufficient economic clout to make a real difference. but without the ballot, those economic rights could not be protected. so, in the debate between condoleezza rice and madeleine albright, in terms of specifically black americans following the civil war, the most important thing that could have happened to change the fate of interracial democracy in america was protecting the black man's right to vote. only men could vote, of course. that's why i say black men. and the people who tried to roll back the civil

brian: in our book, "the president's," david stewart has a chapter on andrew johnson.ut i want to go to another book he wrote, to use this statistic that i think is fascinating. the summer of 1787, a book about the constitutional convention. he has a tremendous number of numbers in there that may or may not interest you to define our country. to start with, and i'm sure both of you know this, in 1787, of the appointed men, 55 showed up, 39 signed, rhode island didn't participate. what does that say, if anything, of how we started? what would happen today if the same call went out and people were asked to participate? harold: i mean, it is tough to get around in those days. i think those numbers are pretty good considering the transportation, the unpleasantness of hanging out in philadelphia in the summer and all of that. again, the caution in the book, and indeed when we do the survey, judging presidents by the standards of their own time. 1787 to 1789 standards getting that kind of quorum is impressive. amity: considering the absence of air conditioning, claritin, ant

abraham lincoln's greatest encouraging andrew johnson as his second vice president.should have thought more closely about the issue of succession and legacy. he chose the only southern senator who did not defect to the confederacy, even though he was a democrat and not a republican, and even though he was deeply racist. i don't think he spent any time talking to him. magically, roosevelt chose harry truman. that,w his hand was on because he made the selection. i don't know why he saw possibility in truman. he certainly knew of his own frailty, and he didn't expect to live through his third term, certainly didn't expect to survive his fourth, and thought he would resign if the war ended. he wanted to see allied victory through. it's a remarkable thing that he whond this amazing man seemed greater than the sum of his parts. brian: we have about eight minutes left. a couple questions in the back. yes, sir? >> i wonder if you could comment on the suggestion that those who --hasize [inaudible] insofar as that masking, subterfuge impacts ratings. thinking particularly of d

andrew johnson was impeached for speaking ill of congress in article 10 of those articles, and it was for a misdeed. a misdeed is a misdemeanor. so the president can be impeached for his racist and his bigotry. unfortunately, however, he is a beneficial bigot, meaning he benefits a good many people, and i unfortunately have to tell you that i'm so saddened when i see people who have built their reputations fighting bigotry allowing this to persist to the extent that it has. there are organizations that are going to be shamed in history because they didn't fulfill their missions as they have said they would with reference to bigotry. i'm not going to be a party to this. i do believe he can be impeached for his bigotry, and he should be. i would also add this. congress is at the crossroads of accountability. either we will hold the president accountable, or we will be held accountable. this is not a time when we're going to stand on the fence. we all will have to take sides, and the only way to accomplish this is to have votes in the house and in the senate. >> i got to ask you, though,

it was the impeachment of andrew johnson.rying to make this a neat package here, but in fact, the way the country handled it in 1867, '68 when you had a president who was trying to undo the verdict of the civil war who was lashed out as congressional opponents, tracked in conspiracy theories. andrew johnson gave a speech i think it was on washington's birthday shortly after he became president where he just lashes out at everyone. it's eerily resonant with what we're seeing now. and the answer for the republicans then, the party of lincoln, remember johnson had gone on the ticket as a wartime active conciliation. he was really a democrat. the republicans in congress in the from 1865 to 1868 were trying to find a way to undo the work of johnson who opposed the civil rights bill, who retoted the friedmans bill, incredibly important legislation trying to apply the verdict of the civil war. he was trying to undo that. and what happened was congress decided that impeachment was in fact the way to go forward. i suspect as mark twai

he made friends with andrew johnson while they were in tennessee. he essentially does not retire until early 1867. he is still there as part of the army, but he decides to seek his name and fortune in the west rather than staying in the army. what role did politics play in his getting promoted? his support from secretary treasury chase. i'm struck the fact that grant removes him only after the election of 1864. he has a rather biting comment about him. how did he get there to begin with? grant could have sent him to cincinnati right away. dr. kurtz: my explanation for that is limited, because if you look at grant hitting more angry , he is trying to relieve him even before price gets to missouri could -- misery. -- missouri. i can only surmise that lincoln had something to do with it. it is generally accepted that rosecrans was not put into a position where he could be relieved by something like grant in 1863 in july after the gubernatorial elections and ohio , when he was a big supporter of the republican candidate at the time. he was seen as a use

he made friends with andrew johnson when they were in tennessee. does not retire until early 1867. he is still in the army technically. he decides to seek fame and fortune in the west. role did politics play in his getting promoted? you mentioned the treasury secretary chase. i'm struck by the fact that grant removes him only after the election of 1864 and has this rather biting comment about him. >> evidentiary very explanation for that is limited. look at grant successfully getting more angry with rosecrans for not realizing he needed every man he could to prosecute the conflict in virginia. he is trying to relieve him -- just like you want to get rid of thomas before nashville. i can only surmise that lincoln had something to do with this. it is generally accepted that rosecrans was not relieved -- put in a position where he could be relieved by somebody like governoril after the -- gubernatorial elections in ohio. the elections in 1863. he was seen as a useful political tool by the lincoln administration. he was a war democrat with a largely successful record who hated slavery

that was decided by the supreme court after the andrew johnson impeachment that failed by one vote. teve, go ahead. caller: you know, this man was already tainted before we even put him in office. for republicans to complain it is going to cost so much money to pull this man out of office, they never about one minute of wasting $35 million to impeach president clinton. all we received was a large bill and a stained dress in the smithsonian. i agree with you. it was a complete waste of time to impeach clinton. i think republicans have learned a lesson from it. i think reasonable democrats have learned a lesson, too. that is why nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are resisting calls from extremists to impeach because it will turn out to hurt the democrats. it will cost millions of dollars and raise serious questions under the constitution. vote for who you want to in the 2020 election, but don't try to compromise the constitution. let the constitution do the work that elections were intended to do. host: we're continuing our conversation on efforts to impeach president trump. if you are r

you know as you remember he was not actually impeached, only andrew johnson and bill clinton have thatantel before them. richard nixon was a unindicted coconspirator. john michelle was convicted of obstruction of justice, conspiracy and perjury, he spent 19 months in prison, he could have spent up to 8 years, there were several other members of nixon administration who went to prison for this not for things like, lying to fbi or congress, they remember charged and convicted of more serious crimes, my point and i'm not defending president but i don't think that one can commit conspiracy and obstruction of justice on their own? >> they can't, and historic cases nixon, near impeachment, and the clinton actual impeachment, there were pending cases involving president in which president was very clearly involved there was very substantial evidence in bill clinton a case that he had perjuried himself in judicial legal proceedings, we had when we considered prime minister in house judiciary committee in 1998, was a report from the independent council ken starr, he was required by law to deliv

sadly, their occupancy would be revoked under andrew johnson. one of the most important experiences the army offered to black men, beginning of localized areas in 1862 and more broadly in 1863, was the renewed opportunity to become soldiers. technically, black men had been barred from army service since the 1792 militia act. though they had found the occasional loopholes such as the new orleans under andrew jackson in the war of 1812. black men had been allowed access under quota restrictions through the u.s. navy throughout the antebellum period. this offered more than just a job, although that was certainly welcomed by many recently enslaved men who urgently needed food, pay and board. it also offered access to education. as recent studies have shown, black soldiers taught each other literacy, leading to better jobs, less poverty, and longer life spans after the war. most importantly, black men understood, as did most 19th century americans, that military service traditionally citizenship, to access to which had been denied to african-american

with andrew johnson and. ard nixon is a. process. hearing directly from witnesses with direct personal knowledge. . s that are potentially im. . able. surfacing new charges and claims and allowing them to be subject to cross-examination and that's an. . . . process. putting it out in front. cameras. substa s substand. ly. . >> to have the teeth in it for impeachment. >> i'm astonished when people like. mcconnell said obstruction. undeniable im. able are making this claim. obstruction is only the. charge laid against this president. his personal attorney said that the president directed him in committing campaign finance crimes for which he pled guilty. he has been charged by violations. emoluments clause. it has not mounted a public case and if the public is hesitating to get behind it, it may be if nancy pelosi can't say it's time for inquiry, it's hard for the. voter to think it's merited. >> there is thinking the president is trying to think democrats are trying to bait him. that's obvious that he's freaked out by it. . your react

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wilson called for the impeachment of president andrew johnson, and told his fellow delegates if they did not support a platform of human rights, they were no better than rebels. after the white conservative party seized control of the state government in 1869, wilson continued to secure republican party patronage appointments c as a -- appointments as an officer for the port of norfolk. in 1876, conservatives impose a tax as a prerequisite for voting in virginia in order to disenfranchise african-american men. wilson joined with elizabeth van lew at others in protesting this and other voter suppression methods. but the protests were in vain. the number of black officeholders in -- voters and officeholders in virginia would decline precipitously in the late 19th century. even as he agitated for black civil rights in virginia, joseph wilson crafted a national reputation as a man of letters. after the demise of the true southerner, he wrote articles for washington, d.c. newspapers and other national newspapers. he founded three newspapers of his own in norfolk and richmond. he published

one congressman, amash, speaking out but john meachum referred the andrew johnson, the president impeached and was for criticizing congress and congressional investigations. >> i think the senate is going to continue processing nominations, continue putting conservatives on the courts. i think we hit a crisis point later this year. the infrastructure is optional. the debt limit is not optional. >> let me just close this by saying one thing. the disaster relief for puerto rico which should have been approved before they leave for the memorial day recess is not going to be unless a miracle happens overnight. that is inexcusable. thank you all. >>> coming up, overruled. a federal judge says the president cannot stop his banks from turning over financial documents to congress. you're watching andrea mitchell reports. stay with us. g andrea mitchell reports. stay with us ♪ ♪ memories. what we deliver by delivering. repair the enamel on a daily basis. with the new pronamel repair toothpaste more minerals enter deep into the enamel surface. you have an opportunity to repair what's already been da

>> knowing history tells you that if you look in andrew johnson impeachment clinton is a mention butok at other presidential scandals. the scandal and their president harding and the iran-contra. the market generally continued to keep going at in the direction of us going through presidential scandals have very little to do with the market itself. government policy that involves the economy is what moves the market not presidential scandals. i don't think the president will be impeached because the democrats know they can't convict him without two-thirds of the vote but even if that were to happen it would have little effect on the market according to history. >> interest rates will decide the market and economy. impeachment will decide who wins the next presidential election. democrats go down this road they do so at their doom. this is how to lose an election. red the mueller report that was a "game of thrones" finale. neither side founded particularly satisfying but it's done. this will lose an election. kristina: is one of those things i don't want to happen but the small anarchi

andrew johnson, bill clinton, neither one convicted in the senate.oming out of the bill clinton situation in the late 90s, everybody realized that it could as you just said liz increase the president's popularity. elizabeth: the thing is it's impeachment light. it's impeachment without the impeachment. >> i agree. elizabeth: basically they want to make like they are going to impeach him but not do it because they know they will put at risk their house control. here's the thing, they want to slam the president's approval rating with all these investigations. >> you made a key point because i was talking about this earlier today. they want, you know, get into semantics, they want to open an impeachment probe which doesn't mean it will result in actual articles of impeachment coming out of the house. if they do this probe, they are weighing behind closed doors will that help us with 2020? just to open a probe. i don't think they are ever going to return articles of impeachment. elizabeth: they want to drive the approval ratings down in 2020. >> they are

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we know that andrew johnson and ulysses s grant had eggrolls but it was primarily family. the first instance when they were open to the public was during rutherford b hayes. that,ars prior to children were rolling eggs at the capital and it was right after congress had appropriated a lot of money to re-landscape the ground, and what they decided after that episode was that they had had enough and they passed legislation inhibiting the public's use of the grounds. in 1877 there is a lot of rain so they do not have to worry about the problem. in 1878 there is a question on if people will be allowed on the grounds, and president hayes decides that we have plenty of room on the south side of the white house and i will open the gates to the public. ever since then it is the longest running annual event in white house history. there have been different period beenre the eggroll has canceled, usually related to war or fruit -- or food rationing. but for the most part, it has been consistent. susan: who brought the eggs to the process? lindsay: they started with president reagan.

it was a beautifully written review of the andrew johnson impeachment the other day. i'm saying that the ghal lgalluf history is passing by and people have to decide whether to jump into the saddle. >> i think that you are right. it is true johnson gets impeached in his re-election year. there is a lot of the same political pressures. you have the super bowl majority th supermajority and they think that this might tear the country apart. the originrinloriginal pass pei. but essentially forced by johnson's own behavior it move toward impeachment. someone put this way, if you have one foot on the dock and one foot on the boat, you end up in the water. and right now that is the way it feels. every democrat that i've heard, you can feel the tension, rhetorical tension in the instruments of each of the members ev members of congress as they try to keep one foot on the dock takes keeps floa-- as it keeps floating out to water. >> and we know the people that come on the tube all the time, that he a they are fantastic. how many are honestly undecided? how many are taking the

john quincy adams and andrew johnson were so disappointed in the election result that they did not showp at the inaugu l inauguration to hand off the presidency to their successors. donald trump has absolutely no power to prevent the transfer of power to the next president and he knows that as his tweets suggestions but donald trump is happy to let the world think that he does have that magic power to extend the years of his presidency. political scientist brian kloss has studied donald trump and called the president quote a want to be. he will join us after this break. want to be he will join us after this break. we humans are strange creatures. other species avoid pain and struggle. we actually... seek it out. other species do difficult things because they have to. we do difficult things. because we like to. we think it's... fun. introducing the all-new 2019 ford ranger built for the strangest of all creatures. what would i say to somebody keep being you.? and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for hiv in certain adults. it's not

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you don't have to look at andrew johnson. you don't have to look at richard nixon, just look at what happened to bill clinton and his favorability after that. >> harris: talk to newt gingrich! he'll tell you. >> katie: they are playing dirty. instead of moving forward with impeachment, they are acting like they're going to impeach him and engaging in impeachment-like behavior. >> harris: is making of her democrats mad. >> katie: that's dirty. either do it or not. >> harris: democratic voters say they aren't happy with that. either go big or go home. i don't know where that would be. maybe health care is at home. [laughter] we will move move on. tomorrow on "america's newsroom" -- you got to see this -- bill hemmer will interview attorney general william barr, his first interview since the release of the mueller report. and since the house judiciary committee voted to hold him in contempt. there will be at 9:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow. pop your corn may be a little early for popcorn. but i will be eating it tomorrow morning. a b

i mean, for example, when president andrew johnson was impeached in the 1860s, his attorney general henryury actually resigned as attorney general because he wanted to defend the president. so he went and became his lawyer in the impeachment trial. notably, after johnson beat the impeachment conviction by a single vote, stanbury wanted to be attorney general again. the senate didn't confirm him. and that's an attorney general who is acting up and up. this one is not. >> neal katyal, a master of precedent. the night is not over, and yet i believe you may have the only stanbery reference on all of the news across america tonight. we learn so much from you. thank you so much for being here. i want you to remind viewers. you can find this discussion and neal's past analysis because this is a continuing series at msnbc.com/openingarguments. check it out. >>> and former republican governor bill weld saying donald trump has committed the crime of obstruction, and that's part of why he is running against him for the republican nomination. see here live. we're back in 30 seconds. michael cohen goi

if you look at impeachments past, it was bad for the republican congress when they had andrew johnson. it was bad for the republican congress with bill clinton. we never got to it with nixon, but that's the fear. they're going to give up this capital they have. >> right. there are a lot of democrats who say -- and, look, i believe this fully -- if a bully comes after you, you punch the bully in the face. >> right, right. >> so i do think that's actually very important. i take your point. i do think democrats and a lot of voters feel this way, we've never been good at getting down and dirty in the way republicans do. they want to see us do that more. i just don't know if the leadership wants to go ahead of where they think the voters are. >> no. they're thinking of those -- they're thinking of the 20 front line or 40 front line house members who want health care, and they don't want to send them back to districts to discuss impeachment. that's what that i thiey're thi >>> who are the men leading the charge to end abortion rights for women across america? you'll want to see that. >>> fi

seeing serious constitutional conflict between branches that could lead as in the watergate era or andrew johnsoncivil war to possible contempt citations or impeachment. but for crisis, i would spay you have to send out the troops. so we're not there yet but more serious conflict between the branches then we have seen since perhaps the nixon era. >> jeff, eli, thunkank you very much. >>> and much more on donald trump jr.'s subpoena with the intel comety senator mark warner. he will be joining andrea mitchell at noon eastern. >>> but up here, what mitch mcconnell did for the third time that had never been do before. why? to give president trump exactly what he wants. i will explain what is that is. >>> about but we go, a new cdc report finds 18 million american $not have health insurance at the start of 2019. one in four americans skipped medical care because of rising costs. re because of rising costs. we see two travelers so at a comfort innal with a glow around them, so people watching will be like, "wow, maybe i'll glow too if i book direct at choicehotels.com". who glows? just say, badda book