here is the discussion in the summer of 2006 with andrew sullivan, kelly o'donnell and joe cline and of the "new york times." >> she has not waivered from her position. >> i think hillary is a fantastic icon og fi. warrior weans always do well. margaret thatcher, queen elizabeth i. there's a very deep mythology. the warm to that figure. if hillary could pull it off, it's the one way she could win the hearts of the people. >> it's essential. she's going to be the first female nominee of a major party because there is concern that a woman would not be perceived as strong figure at a time of war. so she's got to be very careful protecting our options. she has time about getting out of iraq. chris: led by a pro war woman and what do you call her? >> a warrior queen. chris: anti-war democrats unite an alternative to hillary? seven say yes will unite against some nonhillary. very close, andrew. you say there will be the unhillary candidate. >> of course. the forces are so great and the loathing -- and some of the loathing and the criticism is legitimate. what's happened over the last month

i'm going to follow andrew kelly's rule. you have to ask a question within the first couple of words when you open your mouth, otherwise i'm supposed to stop you. and you should identify yourself, thank you, andrew. i'm learning. go over here? >> hi. my name is mike, and i'm with america's future foundation. we've been talking a lot about what approach the federal government and we should be taking towards reforming this. what approach should we suggest specifically to the institutions of higher ed in looking how they should reform it from their side? >> who'd like to take that? okay. ann and then david. >> you know, i think we've seen two different behaviors on the part of institutions, and both have been driven by a focus on outcomes and completion, and i think they've both driven to increased costs. so i think that institutions are driven by the outcome agenda and manifest differently. so i think at selective elite institutions, you know, they want to be -- they want to have a 98% rate instead of a 97. so they are driving

i'm going to follow andrew kelly's rule. you have to ask a question whether the first couple of words when you open your mouth. otherwise i'm supposed to stop you. and you should identify yourself. thank you. >> my name is mike with america's future foundation. we were talking about what the federal government and we should be taking towards reforming this. what approach should we suggest speffingsly to the i.n.s. tuesdays of higher ed how they should reform from their side? we have seen two different behaviors on the part of institutions. both have been driven by a focus on outcomes and completion. i think they have both driven to increase costs. i think that institutions are driven by the outcome agenda and that man fests differently. i think that selective elite institutions they want to be -- they want to have a 98% rate instead of 97%. so they are driving their policy and their dollars toward more and more capable students. they are trying to be more and more selective. and they do it by spending money on things like do

andrew shaw will get a penalty here. he gives a little. cross check to tyler seguin. he followed through with the punch, i believe, to chris kelly.together right in front of the zamboni door. watch seguin. a little shot. keep an eye on shaw right there. that's the penalty. one thing every coach tells his players. it doesn't matter what level. discipline wins. joel quenneville knows that's undisplinld by andrew shaw. he has to do better than that. >> mike: the bruins' power play, though it has not scored, has registered six shots and ten scoring chances. krug led it across. given back to him. he has krejci and settles back. then krug. that block by frolik. tucked on by keith and sailed back down the ice by kruger. >> eddie: the play there for duncan keith to get the puck and cleared it down. >> mike: led across to lucic who steps in. sailed one around. it comes near keith. nicely read off the boards. >> pierre: the play by duncan keith with all that pressure on him. >> mike: it was an old bruin named adam oates as coach of the washington capitals, talking about power plays early in the playoffs. and he said, even if our power play

andrews. >> a really unsettling story, kev, but we have also got more from your new kelly rowland interview.al after trying to take her own life. our christina mclarty is on the scene with the very latest on the developing story which is trending now. >> we're learning about the hospitalization of paris jackson. that is right, she is the 15-year-old daughter of michael jackson. >> i'm christina mclarty outside

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