his source is probably andrew mccabe. what did he say?w what he said but congressman meadows said he, baker, contradicted what rosenstein has said under oath. lying to a congressional committee as a basis for firing, that's where we are. >> harris: those three unnamed people, we don't know if they are among the witnesses they were called. >> that is correct, this has been very frustrating and i'm a critic of the house of representatives, government in secrecy. instead of hearing the actual questions and answers, we will hear a republican spend by congressman meadows and a democratic spin. >> harris: if somebody can corroborate that the attorney general said this, and that it wasn't funny an end that somebody took it seriously who had the power to put a wire on somebody in the presence of the president, that's what's at stake here. we had to go but you're going to stay, we will be right back. if you're a veteran homeowner and need money for your family, call newday usa. a newday va home loan lets you refinance your home and take out $54,00

we are learning more every day it seems almost about andrew mccabe. the tension between he and rosenstein, the one who ultimately did appoint the special counsel. it looks like it was predicated on the interest of andrew mccabe to damage this president. his political motivations are starting to be revealed. >> yes. absolutely. i mean clearly we have learned he is part of kabul of hard left people at the f.b.i. and he was executing a plan. rosenstein came on the scene. you know, this is an interesting scene. this is interesting that rosenstein didn't recuse himself and mccabe didn't. both of them ultimately stayed on and now we have a mess we have and the russia investigation paralyzing our government. >> lou: as catherine herridge just reported the smear her chant fusion g.p.s., it -- merchant fusion g.p.s., glenn simpson refusing to testify and will take, reported by catherine, he will take the fifth amendment. where does it leave in your judgment glenn simpson? >> well, clearly he fears legal jeopardy from lies he has told. that is the correct impli

we are learning more every day about andrew mccabe.he tension between he and rosenstein, the one who ultimately did appoint the special counsel. it looks like it was predicated on the interest of andrew mccabe to damages president. his political motivations are starting to be revealed. >> absolutely. clearly we have learned he is part of hard left people at the fbi. he was executing a plan. rosenstein came on the scene. it's very interesting that rosenstein did it recuse himself and mccabe didn't. they both stayed on and now we have this mess. it's paralyzing our government. >> lou: as catherine just reported, the smear merchant fusion gps is glenn simpson refusing to testify and will take the fifth amendment. where does this leave in your judgment, glenn simpson? >> clearly he fears legal jeopardy from lies that he is told. thus the correct implication. that's troubling. ultimately, unless the doj pursues him for perjury, nothing is going to happen as a result for refusing to testify in congress. rod rosenstein is effectively in charg

there are memos of the meeting in question by former deputy director andrew mccabe, which republicans have subpoenaed the october 4th deadline for those documents, however has passed. the memos have yet to be delivered. when asked about baker's deposition, a justice department spokesperson telling fox news they stand by earlier denials. back in september, when the "new york times" first reported the allegations. rosenstein then released a statement saying -- president trump said he had no plans to fire rosenstein after talking with him yesterday about 45 minutes. aboard air force one. the president telling reporters this afternoon that he will intently monitor his deposition, that is rosenstein's deposition thursday before the house judiciary committee. >> well, i guess he's going before congress. we had a very good talk yesterday, and he's going before congress. we'll see how it all works out. in the meantime, as you know, senator richard burr came out recently and said there was no collusion. he saw no collusion, after a year and a half, and devin nunes, as you know, very smart peop

he absolutely 100% believed andrew mccabe and lisa page.hocking is that there are 2 other people within the administration who were on board with rod rosenstein and trying to invoke the 25th amendment saying that the president was unfit for office. there is something happening within the administration. rod rosenstein has those answers. thursday will be telling. will he show up and answer all of these questions. who is actually investigating the investigators? i say this over and over. if rod rosenstein is in charge of special counsel of the mueller investigation, who is in charge of rod rosenstein? he is in the middle of all of this. he signed the fisa warrant on carter page. he wrote the letter to give the president so comey would be fired. he is in the middle of everything and somebody needs to find out the tract. he is still the deputy attorney general of the united states.tr the united states. sean this sounds like a soft coup. -- you have 2 people that both recorded the same thing here about what rod rosenstein said. >> a friend said

the meeting with andrew mccabe and lisa page. was also an fbi attorney, who has since resigned along with mccabe who was fired. thigh asked him directly about rod rosenstein, whether they asked him specifically, how did you know, how did you know for certain that you know mccabe believed rod rosenstein was serious? he said, to them, by his words and by his actions. so the fbi actually conducted and did some kind of accountable thing with regard to when rod rosenstein of saying, i think this is what you know congress is so upset about. we know based on baker's testimony that they withheld, fbi withheldiic -- exculpatory evidence, we know based to baker testimony that rod rosenstein was serious well recording the president of the united states secretly, which is reason why so many congressional members of saying, look, and meadows who came out public he said, resign right now, that has gone too far, your move in may 2017 to secretly record the president crossed line, but they will give him a chance to speak next week. if he shows s

it revealed that there was an investigation of comments allegedly made by the deputy director andrew mccabe about president trump and flynn. we don't know anything more than that, we know that they list mccabe as a witness in the investigation, not a subject. but it's a first time we heard anything about this and that's an important thing. the senate chief pled guilty to lying about his contacts with the media's of the facet was going on and starting to be exposed little by little. >> we have the entire puzzle framed in and are filling in the pieces, it's pretty incredible what happened. carter, you are in the center of this. we know that for pfizer judges, and we know that christopher steele was on standby. now you haven't rod rosenstein and he's refusing to testify under oath. we can't get glenn simpson to testify under oath, way and we can't get the three oh twos and finds out applications that were all subpoenaed and supposed to be coming out. you are assuming the dnc, and who else? >> perkins cooley and a few of their partners. >> well, i have to imagine, you are going to be a really w

the justice department is facing a deadline to turnover andrew mccabe's memos. two lawmakers say a former top fbi lawyer offered explosive closed-door testimony on the russia probe. a live report on that coming up, plus, the white house says it is fully confident brett kavanaugh will be confirmed after reading the fbi report. will the judge get the votes? and how will all of this affect the midterm elections? and looking out farther, the 2020 elections. sean spicer is here to join me. >> he has given more than any other nominee in terms of history, in terms of interviews, documents. democrats will make this entire process a total disgrace, it's time for them to start doing their jobs. take out 54,000 dollars or more to pay credit card debt, or just put money in the bank. it even lowers your payments by over 600 dollars a month. as a veteran, you've earned the powerful va home loan benefit that lets you refinance up to 100 percent of your home's value. and with home values rising, that can mean a lot more money for you and your family. and because newday usa has

he absolutely 100% believed andrew mccabe and lisa page. even more shocking is that there are two other people within the administration, apparently, who were onboard with rod rosenstein, and are trying to invoke the 25th amendment. saying that the president was off histh rocker. there's something happening within the administration, and rod rosenstein has those answers. thursday is going to be very telling. will he show up? will he answer all of these questions, and he was actuallyhi investigating the investigators? i keep saying this over and over again. if rod rosenstein is in charge of the special counsel, that meal or investigation, who is in charge of rod rosenstein? he signed the sba to warrant on carter page. he actually wrote the letter to give to the present, so that james comey would be fired. he laid it all out. this guy is in the middle of everything, and somebody needs to learn the truth because he is still the deputy attorney general of the united states. >> sean: by the way, to answer serious question, who is investigating t

the first time that there was an investigation of comments allegedly made by the deputy director andrew mccabedent trump and flynn. we don't know anything more than that. we know that they list mccabe as a witness of the investigation, not a subject. but it'sss the first time we hae heardd anything about this. that is an important thing. also the senate intelligence security chief pled guilty to lying about his contacts with the media. this week-fest going on -- >> sean: unbelievable. >> it's being exposed little by little. >> sean: the entire puzzle framed in and we are filling it with pieces and it's pretty clear what happened. carter, you are in the center of all of this. we know that four fisa judges, fraud was committed on them. the bulk of information was the phony dossier that even christopher steele wouldn't stand by. now you have rod rosenstein, he's refusing to testify under oath. we can't get going simpson to testify under oath. we can't get the 302s, the gang of eight information, or the fisa applications that where all subpoenaed, supposed to be coming out. you are suing the dnc a

ford was the lawyer for andrew mccabe.he man with the beard that we all saw during the hearings. as a result of that relationship with andrew mccabe i assume he learned a lot the way the fbi works and this letter they put out seems to me to be an attempt to split the fbi from its, the orders it received from the white house to make it more an independent operator now under the jurisdiction of the senate. i, seems like they're trying to divide and conquer using the fbi as a political teal again. >> i think they're trying to get the fbi to interrogate dr. ford and judge kavanaugh again because senator grassley, the judiciary committee, asked for documents. the response which is the letter to which you just referred was, we'll give you the documents you want when we get interview from the fbi. i have to tell you it is a head-scratcher to me that the fbi is not interviewing judge kavanaugh and dr. ford it has their testimony under oath. it has whatever the other witnesses have told the fbi agents about them. the interview proc

>>reporter: let me ask you about the conflicts about what you ladder from andrew mccabe who has been referred to criminal charges. apparently there are conflicts. >> yeah. no, there are. like you said, both of them shouldn't be overseeing the mueller investigation. rosenstein wrote the memo that was given to the president one of the things mueller is looking into is obstruction of justice. neither should be involved. mccabe isn't because he's been fired. >> the president said he wouldn't fire rosenstein, should he step down? >> well, look, i'm not a fan of mr. rosenstein. we asked for the mccabe memos. we asked to see the document mr rosinstein wrote that altered the scope. we asked for specific portions of the fisa and haven't been able to see that. we asked for 302s details what he said and we haven't seen that. jon, the guy put in charge of the u.s. attorney we haven't had one report in the last six months since been on-the-job. take all of that that's what flustrates me and you and the media and those people a cross the great country that want to know what happened. we'll talk ab

heather: let's talk about the other thing that's going on, deputy director andrew mccabe and deputy attorneyral rosenstein apparently fighting over recusals and what this tension means for ongoing investigation, so one saying to the other back and forth in this meeting apparently that, you know, you should recuse yourself from mueller investigation, oh, no, you should recuse yourself from mule e investigation. >> it's being reported as angry tension as well and provides context to the issue about the wire-tapping conversation. apparently that was during the same meeting where rod rosenstein says it was made in jest, right, that's what the president said yesterday, he was surprised that rod rosenstein canceled his meetings and even rudy giuliani said -- heather: those were suppose to happen yesterday. >> right. fbi general counsel james baker testified, cooperating with the committee and said no, it wasn't in jest, two people in the meeting, probably one being mccabe, no, that was a serious comment about wiretapping the president and invoking the 25th, this provides context to those specific

that were compromised and the reasons it should be shut down, you have jim comey who was fired, andrew mccabeer grand jury investigation, peter stzrok, bruce kim jong un 6 who will plead the sixth - plead the fifth as well. there are reasons for why this should just be stopped altogether. >> just yesterday we had two treasury officials implicated in criminal leaks of information. these guys were helping mueller in his operation, they are leaking financial information from the treasury department almost simultaneously is going back to comey he was not only fired but documents in the fbi files, leaked them and that led to the appointment of mueller so criminal activity leading to the appointment and rod rosenstein is compromised as well in the sense he is a witness to the investigation he appointed mueller to conduct. >> not unbelievable, you are looking at situations like this going back to the clinton email investigation and the state department providing clearly false statements to deleon requests for clinton documents, that is a quote from a shocked federal judge yesterday. >> there was a c

house lawmakers tomorrow as planned and scheduled, follows reports that former fbi acting director andrew mccabe had talked about rod rosenstein's suggestion to secretly record president trump. talked about that with fbi top lawyer, and congressman andy bigs andag congressman matt gaez had it, releasing statement. judiciary committee must now is up openna hi such openna him to- subpoena him to appear, allowing special council robert mueller to escape oversight of his investigation. joining me now to talk about all of this, decision to subpoena rod rosenstein and justice department's decision to ignore a house subpoena for mccabe's memo, detailing his meeting with rosenstein, andy bigs, great to have you with us, start with rosenstein, what are prospects for encouraging him to appear before your committees? >> really in hands of our chairman, and we're talle calling on chairman to issue that subpoena, to get him before us, i am not alone. meadows and g gohmert, this hava host of us we want rod rosenstein to come in testify, let's hear what he has to say about this serious allegation. it is. -- we

baker was a confidante of james comey and worked with former deputy director of the fib andrew mccabeplosive testimony. it was. part of the information that has come out was that michael sussman a lawyer for perkins, the law firm that the dnc and the hillary clinton campaign used to hire fusion gps. they paid them. to hire fusion gps which then hired christopher steele to write the unverified dossier. they discovered that sussman also met with james baker. he delivered information to him on a hard drive in hard copy about russia hacking. he was also apparently delivered to him a version from the dossier. what was most explosive was the fact that sussman himself who was working with perkins was passing information like a back channel similar to bruce ohr to james baker who delivered it to the counter-intelligence division. part of the imagination that the doj and fbi was trying to keep from the american people. they didn't want this information coming out. >> sean: a lot with held not to embarrass themselves in the name of national security. >> absolutely. >> sean: wasn't there an atte

we know andrew mccabe was close to baker as well.rding to the people that heard the testimony, one had nothing to do with the other. baker wasn't afraid to throw him under the bus. >> lou: testify and without any constraint, her husband will be in jeopardy if she does, if she happens to in any way contradict his testimony. the ohr family is having a tough time. they seem to be at the nexus of the skull duggery carry -- skullduggery of this leadership. >> we know that bruce ohr was used as a back channel to get information about christopher steele after they filed the former british sky. we know that nellie ohr worked for fusion g.p.s. she was a professor that taught russian -- >> lou: so we finally have collusion. if you will, a little confluence. we have all the people doing the investigation for the f.b.i., the justice department and leading it. they are the ones with the connection to russia. pros 'er thous moment that anyone -- this is the most preposterous moment to allow this special counsel robert mueller continue. the preside

he is essentially corroborating the story having heard first-hand accounts from andrew mccabe and lisa page. >> this an individual the highest level of the non-political appointees in the fbi and the doj is confirming the rot went all the way to the 7th floor. this is why rod decided not to testify because he knows he's in trouble. what we are seeing on mccabe and everyone else, the rats are turning on each other. kennedy: they are not going to give it up. it's being taken by force. that's the position members of the house and senate are in right now. that's why rand paul went after christopher wray today. >> it's not just about the senate. it's about the congress. there are people in little rock that are federally investigating the clintons and the obama administration. so there is a reason they have been there for almost a year investigating. the trouble is the attorney general, what is he doing? in the meantime rod is basically the acting attorney general. kennedy: there are so many conflicts of interest there. >> just on the fisa. this is the man who signed the warrant that we all

we have rod rosenstein battling it out with andrew mccabe, who is then deputy fbi director. the evidence we found out now over the last year from congressional investigators. andy mccabe obviously knew what was going on within the fbi. he knew how this russia probe was being handled. they withheld exculpatory evidence from the foreign intelligence surveillance court. even had problems before that with the hatch act violations and his wife, jill mccabe's unsuccessful run for virginia state office and $700,000 that she actually had in donations from people connected to the clintons. and rod rosenstein, to say the least, he wrote the memo actually authorizing the firing of comey. brian: right. >> he laid it all out. there were a lot of reasons for them to be recused. brian: to tie it up. they never liked each other. they don't trust each other. makes steps mccabe was behind the whole leak of that story to the new york times about the 25th amendment. more on that in a second. we have another topic for you. ainsley: melania, the first lady, sat down for an interview, she was carb

>> where we start is andrew mccabe, lisa page met with rod rosenstein where mr.in said he was thinking about actually recording the commander-in-chief in the oval office, recording the president of the united states. right after that meeting mr. mccabe and miz page talk to jim baker and he took it seriously. was there a legal analysis looking to record the president of the united states. what subsequent meetings took place? those are the first series of questions we'll ask mr. baker. then a host of other things we have to get to as well. >> julie: right. so in just about 30 minutes from now you'll have a chance to ask those questions. he will be testifying after some explosive testimony yesterday where he basically called the russia probe being handled in an abnormal fashion and also mentioned that it reflected political bias. that's a quote. this is no surprise. i'm not sure if democrats seem surprised by this given the peter strzok and lisa page texts. is political bias enough to derail the mueller probe? >> i think it was interesting that yesterday rod rosenst

. >> one of the questions, they have been pushing for the release of some of these memos of andrew mccabe memos get releases and what memos don't get releases. some of the memos they don't want released substantiated what's in the carter page warrant. there will be some more of that maneuvering behind the scenes. this is an incredibly political investigation and political environment. mike: the other question will be with the kavanaugh confirmation done, will this be the week rosenstein has his face to face with president trump? >> i think he might, i think the president would have done that already. i suspect rosenstein decided he's not going to resign. president trump can fire him, if it does, i think it will set off a klain reaction that will be incredibly dangerous to the white house. mike: is a shake-up inevitable at the justice department? >> anything is possible. i wouldn't put it past president trump. but we have to focus on what's happened here. the president is the focus of an extensive investigation in which his associates have admitted to federal crimes. there the he should be

you're ready interviewed andrew mccabe. does what he said, jive with what rosenstein has told you? >> well, this will be the real question, right? you have a he said/she said. one in the new york times where mccabe's people said that definitely, rod rosenstein was wanting to wear a wire, to go in and record the president so they can use the 25th amendment to remove him.that is a bombshell of a claim, right? if you really have the deputy attorney general in charge of the rosterinvestigation , who appointed special counsel, willing to go do that. now, the "washington post" you had a well, i did not really say that. it seemed like it was coming from rosenstein and the department of justice people. i really did not say that, i was just joking.i do not believe that is a joke. i do not believe it is something you would joke about. pretty serious stuff to say i will wear a wire and go in and secretly record the president of the united states. maria: does rod rosenstein have a problem? >> i think it all comes down to whether or not he was willing to wear a wire or not. if he was willing to

. >>> some new documents link fired fbi deputy director andrew mccabe to leaks about president trumpnn. they reveal that his own a agency investigated him back in february of 2017. the same month the former national security advisor resigned from the white house. the leak went unreported. mccabe who was of course fired before he could retire in march over lying about his role in another leak in october of 2016. >>> another step closer from the korean peninsula. north and south korea meeting with officials overnight talking about the demilitaryizing of the korean border. kim jong un crossed the dmz to meet south korea's president back in april. and we will continue to update that story for you as well. >>> so much for democratic democ socialism. after raising $38 million, beto o'rourke said he is keeping it all to himself. >> are you willing to commit to share some of that to help other democrats get across the finish line in, say, missouri? >> no. i'm focused on texas. heather: some democrats have called on the texas congressman to spread the wealth a little bit. bit to candidates in

lawmakers says he was not in the rosenstein meeting, and fbi officials, and andrew mccabe was fired forfederal investigators. >> it was reactions and words of mccabe, to believe this was very serious and routed into an operational faith. >> reporter: in a statement rosenstein said he never authorized the secret recording and his comments were sarcastic. in a rare interview posted by the wall street journal rosenstein defendant robert mueller special counsel investigation, quote, people are entitled to be frustrated. i can accept that but at the end of the day the public will have confidence the cases were warranted by the evidence, and appropriate use of resources. fox news confirmed the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein has agreed to a transcribed interview under oath, classified setting. questions will be asked by chairman and ranking member of the oversight committee. one in you taking home the jackpot. how can you increase your chances of winning? here is the owner of stocks, thank you for joining us. the odds for winning the big jackpot is ridiculous but there are smaller amou

rosenstein meeting and relied on accounts from senior fbi officials including acting fbi director andrew mccabeho was accused of lying to federal investigators. >> the words of mccabe led to think this is very serious and moving into an operational base. >> reporter: in a statement rosenstein said he never authorized secret recording of the source said his comments were sarcastic and they want rosenstein to clear the air with an interview under oath but so far there is no agreement. one republican went further. >> rod rosenstein steps down, should do so immediately, so the president well. >> reporter: in a rare interview by the wall street journal rosenstein defend the robert mueller special counsel investigation, quote, people are entitled to be frustrated. i can accept that but at the end of the day the public will have confidence the cases we brought were warranted by the evidence and it was an appropriate use of resources. on his own job security, quote, you serve at the pleasure of the president and there has never been any ambiguity about that in my mind. fox news confirming deputy attorn

serious, james baker was not in the meeting but he criticized the meeting contemporaneously from andrew mccabe, acting director of the fbi and his lawyer, lisa page. it was so serious he was asking himself as general counsel is it legal? is it ethical? some lawmakers said they went into details alleging rosenstein identified people in the administration to wear a wire. shannon: so much back and forth about rosenstein getting angel to answer questions. what happened next week? >> look like it is going to happen. there is agreement between the chairman and ranking members of the house oversight and judiciary committees, the joint russia investigation, it will be a supersecret lid on top of this thing next week so in a secure facility, it is transcribed, classified and at some point in the future the transcript will be released but this is unacceptable to members of the freedom caucus who say rod rosenstein, serious allegations, he should publicly explain or at least in a regular deposition explain what he meant and they also feel he should not get special treatment, he should have the same handl

baker was a very close confident of james comey and it worked very closely with deputy director andrew mccabewhat they are describing as explosive testimony, and it was. part of the information that has already come out as you mentioned was that michael sussman, who what is a lawyer for perkins coup, you remember, this was a law firm that the dnc and hillary clinton campaigned actually use to basically hire fusion gps, so they paid perkins q you eat with a cut out to higher fusion gps which then steele tostopher write the unverified dossier. but what they discovered was that michael sussman according to james baker also met with james baker. and he delivered information to him both on a hard drive and on hard copy about russia hacking. he was also apparently delivered to him a version of the dossier. i think what was most explosive about this information that they got was the fact that sussman himself, who was working with perkins qe was passing information like a back channel to bruce ohr and james baker who then delivered it to the counterintelligence division. part of the information that

jim komi was fired, andrew mccabe was fired, jim baker was fired. lisa page resigned.hese individuals with the highest levels of the fbi. this story is not over yet. when the inspector general horvitz has his reports and he is referring criminal indictments against a deputy director of the fbi, that should give every american pause of not only these people spying on american citizens, but they were doing it with a badge and legally. that should give great's to every american who should be concerned that if they can do this to a candidate running for president of the united states, they can do it to anybody. host: have you been contacted by robert mueller or any part associated with the special counsel? front oftestified in the house committee on to the below occasions, testified in front of the senate committee. i left the campaign -- host: house and senate intelligence committee? guest: yes. i left in june. left, that seems to be the focus whether that is gratuitous or lucky, i don't know. i didn't communicate with any russians, coordinate with any russians, collude w