. >> laura: a president is very frustrated, i think you obviously know that, andrew mccabe, saying he believes that people like mccabe and others just were able to basically flout laws and so far with impunity. >> i think the president has every right to be frustrated because i think what happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in american history. without any basis, they started this investigation of his campaign and even more concerning actually is what happened after the campaign, a whole of events while he was president. so to sabotage the presidency. and i think -- or at least had the effect of sabotaging the presidency. >> laura: fisa abuses really be prevented going forward given what happened here, where fisa judges are not given critical pieces of information, material facts about evidence that inform the government's okaying the surveillance of american citizens? >> i think it's possible to put in a regime that will make it very hard either to willfully circumvent fisa or to do so sloppily without due regard for the rights of the american person involved. and also

>> we can lay it at the feet of i believe of james comey and andrew mccabe and peter strzok because of the text messages that are disclosed now. there will be more evidence coming. we've still a lot more that they have said they're going to disclose to us. elizabeth: all right. sydney powell, thank you so much. you will be back later with us in the show to talk more about this cares and about the emails between peter strzok and lisa page, debating when to tell flynn about his rights on self-incriminating statements in the fbi interview. a lot more show is coming up. indiana republican senator mike braun on the battle to reopen. first-responders are working, hospital workers are hard at work, grocery stores are fiving to get food on the shelves there. the senate is reopening. 20 states are moving to reopen this week. the debate. how can the house of representatives still is not reopening? that debate is coming up next. ♪. did you make someone i love? that must be why you're always so late. i do not speed. and that's saving me cash with drivewise. [mayhem] you always drive like an old la

eastern on directords, former fbi andrew mccabe with his book "the threat -- how the fbi protects america in a time of terror and from." corrosivecern was the impact that these false narratives about the fbi, the corrosive impact those narratives were having on the people of the fbi and their ability to do their work. and it felt like if people understood more about the we are, how -- who we work, what kind of people are drawn to the fbi and how we made the decisions that we did based on specific legal authorities and policies given to us by the department of justice. this weekfter words and on book tv on c-span2. next, president trump signing a $484 billion emergency coronavirus relief package. the legislation replenishes the fund for small businesses and since additional aid to hospitals. he was joined members of his cabinet and republican greg -- republican congressional leaders. -- weare gathered today are grateful to be joined by vice president mike pence and also with us our secretary steve mnuchin come senators roy blunt, john curran, dan sullivan as well as kevin mccarthy

eastern on afterwards, former fbi director andrew mccabe's book, the threat.how the fbi protects america in the air of to her and trump. ... ... >> and then the intelligence just came right through. and we spoke for about an hour or half an hour and she told me her life like a clichÉ of everything going wrong that could happen to somebody. eventually asked her what is how do you want me to describe you in one sentence? she shot back what i am a prostitute, mother of six and a child of god appearing on book tv more than 60 times all the programs you are about to see can be viewed in their entirety by visiting our website book tv.org. first in 1982 on c-span book notes, david mccullough discusses his biography of president harry truman it was are awarded the pulitzer prize for biography instrumental to change attitudes about the truman presidency. here is a portion of the

the former counterintelligence department, after a meeting with james comey and deputy director andrew mccabe wrote this, quote, what is our goal? truth? were to get him to lie so we can prosecute them or get them fired? another one, if we are seen as playing games the white house will be furious, protect their institution by not playing games. flynn has been seeking to have this case thrown out. nelson's attorney sidney powell is reacting. >> reporter: devastating evidence of the length they were willing to go to to disregard all prior protocols. they had only special violations of every protocol known for him because they were determined to take him out. it is abuse of their authority at every turn. >> reporter: attorney general william barr is overseeing the investigation into the doj handling of the flynn case. is former doj official had this reaction. >> the fbi already knew the still dossier was based on was discredited so they had no other way into the trump campaign. this is incredibly dishonest, this is an abuse of power. >> the doj is not commenting but sources confirm more document

andrew mccabe with his book "the threat: how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump." >> i was concerned by what i felt were the corrosive impact that these false narratives about the fbi, the corrosive impact those narratives were having on the people of the fbi and their ability to do their work. and i felt that if people understood more about the organization, who we are, how we work, what kind of people are drawn to the fbi, and how we make the decisions we did. they are based on specific legal authorities and priorities and policies given to us by the department of justice, not based on politics and personal preference. >> watch "afterwards" this weekend on book tv on c-span2. >> each week, american history tv's reel america brings you archival films that provide context for today's public affairs issues. >> we have been discussing the fact that this asian flu has covered a lot of territory in a short time, but i would like to know how did it all get started? origin ofct point of the influenza virus is of course not known. but the current epidemic had its kong an

andrew mccabe, you don't need a lawyer. you did. comey said on tape he will make something he'd never do with the bush and obama ministrations and never get awayay with. the author of "witch hunt," news contributor jeff gregg jarrett.sara carter. what do we expect? >> the instruction of justice statute says that if you interfere in due of obstructionu committed a crime. what do we have here? we have the fbi and mueller nine prosecutors hiding exculpatory evidence that under the law they are supposed to turn over. they also concealed from the court there in terms of theco pa deal, which was they will remove the threat of prosecuting michael flynn's son, which was unconscionable, and based on phony evidence anyway. so you've got those two things. but what happens when prosecutors and top fbi officials actually create a crime or invent a crime, the key phrase in the documents today are "get him to live so we can prosecute him or get him fired." that could be an abuse of power under the law. and so i agree with you. comey should invoke

james comey was in that meeting allegedly and andrew mccabe the fbi deputy director.them? >> so. a lot of people are lowing out the phrase obstruction of justice, that's not the only issue for these individuals. if they knew going into it that they were setting this up and creating this crime that wasn't actually there, then they made representations to the grand jury and then they made representations to the court, all of those can have criminal consequences. keep in mind, the supreme court in 1971 said that an individual like flynn can go after agents that do this kind of thing knowingly violate someone's constitutional rights. it's called the bivens action i'm pretty certain if this case gets dismissed, that will be the first thing he does. steve: all right. let's see what happens. breadtbreathbretttolman. steve: salons and recreational health facilities and gyms and stuff like that, brian. brian: restrictions also easing today over in alabama. retail stores will open one a maximum of 50% capacity. beaches are reopening. good news for governor huckabee with no more

. >> this weekend on booktv, sunday at "after words," andrew mccabe with his book the threat, how thefbi protects america in an age of terror. >> i was concerned by what i felt was the corrosive impact in the corrosive impact, and the ability to do their work. if people understood more about the organization, who we are, how we work, what people are drawn to the fbi and how we make the decisions based on specific legal authorities and priorities and politics given to us by the department of justice, not the politics of personal preference. >> watch "after words" this weekend on booktv on c-span2. .. >> donald please is saw rice, former secretary of state in the george w. bush add manager -- administration, talks about the national security threat posed by the coronavirus pandemic. then we look at the presidential cabinet of george washington, and on afterwards, former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. find more information online at booktv.org or in your program guide. and to kick off the weekend, christian pick lipny locks

days later, rosenstein calls now andrew mccabe is the acting fbi director i will be just a brief passage talking about something relatively innocuous rosenstein's gaze shifted to the room and the distance his voice was wavering his eyes tear it up he could not believe what was happening the white house was trying to make it look as if it was his idea to fire comey but that wasn't true the president asked him to write the memo after announcing he was firing comey he was struggling to keep his emotions in check he was calling the president a liar they barely knew each other he wanted to be compassionate. are you okay? know. are you getting any sleep? know. is your family okay? rosenstein said there were news trucks parked outside his house the wife and family were upset. there was a pause and rosenstein said there is no when i can trust. he was struggling to hold his emotions in check and then asked if he should appoint a special counsel and mccabe said yes it would be a good idea. rosen consign always considered comey a friend and mentor the one person i wish i could talk to is jim comey.

this weekend on booktv, sunday at 9:00 pm eastern on "after words" former fbi director andrew mccabe with his book the threat. >> i was really concerned by what i felt were the corrosive impact these false narratives about the fbi, the corrosive impact they are having on people of the fbi and their ability to do their work. i felt people understood who we are, how we work, what kind of people are drawn to the fbi and most importantly how we make the decisions we do, they are based on specific legal authorities, priorities and policies given to us by the department of justice, not based on politics and that sort of thing. >> reporter: watch "after words" on booktv on c-span2. [inaudible conversations] >> great to be here with you all to celebrate and discuss an excellent new book by one of our country's most original and insightful economic thinkers, amity shlaes. over the course of her distinction career and ready has brought her intelligence and feel for storytelling to our country's leading intellectual and cultural institutions. amity shlaes has been a member the rhetorical board,

official michael bromwich who represented the cabin or accuser christine place before and by the way andrew mccabe said it can lead to a legal bloodbath and you have vanity fair's gave sherman saying that they're scared over there at fox news so. i mean i know why they're doing this and i know that someone's going to file this in court but what what what what is the what are the chances that they could actually harm or damage aside from the reputation of fox news the entity that is fox news. none the only chance they have to worry about it is perhaps sanctions being leveled against them for filing spurious claims look let's talk about what this is is there 1st issue is there a cause of action for a news organization to give information which is negligent now i don't want to play around with what is is is mean and all that but a live for example has been defined in court by many many cases as a misrepresentation of fact with the intent to deceive now that by analogy would apply here if iraq's news makes a mistake says something like oh i don't know doctor found who said from where i'm asked don't w

at the presidential cabinet of george washington, and on afterwards, former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. find more information online at booktv.org or in your program guide. and to kick off the weekend, christian pick lipny locks at how hate groups target vulnerable people. [inaudible conversations] >> welcome, everyone, to the commonwealth club california. just a quick housekeeping, of course, if you have anything that mix noises -- cell phones, beepers, husbands, whatever -- if you could just put them on silent for the rest of the program. of course, recording this for tv and podcast, so we appreciate the non-beepingness. and now i would like to turn it over to our, my ecohost and the person whose name is on the show, michelle meow. [laughter] >> thanks so much, john. thank you. welcome to michelle meow show. if you're here for the first time, it's your a-z covering the a-g, l, m, n, o, p and everyone in between. [laughter] our special guest tonight is the finder of the free radicals prompt, a global network of former extremists who work on deradicallizing others trying to lee the mov

up and count fbi who are paying the price for a small gaggle of leaders under james comey and andrew mccabeupted this fbi. lou: they may be paying a price or they may be complicit. we don't know, do we. but we do know that no one was punished for what they did in the upper echelons of the fbi and the justice department. it will be a long time before anyone looks at an fbi agent or justice department employee and says, there is someone serving the united states. don't you agree. >> i do agree. there has to be more accountability. i took a lot of solace in what the attorney general said yesterday, that they are working hard to get there. john solomon. thanks so much. we'll be right back. stay with us. motor? nope. not motor? it's pronounced "motaur." for those who were born to ride, there's progressive. lou: the trump campaign providing evidence of voter fraud after cnn's jim acould a questioned president trump's claim that mail-in voting was susceptible to fraud. the white house shared a heritage foundation document showing more than a thousand cases of voter fraud. they found 9 people in te

programs about technology and on our author interview program afterwords, former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, that's just a few of the programs you will see this weekend. check your program guide for more information or visit booktv.org. >> glenn hutchins here, hope it will be a fascinating and insightful session with ben bernanke. when the financial crisis hit in 2008 and been burning he was head chair, he had to create one from scratch. a few of us expected successes would need to refer to it so soon but for all of us, left a copy for jake powell to consult. i recommend for people on this call if they are interested in very book called firefighting which is a summary of the crisis is one called first responders which gets deep into the individual programs. i recommend everyone have a look at it over the next couple weeks. been among other things as interesting as the economic historian. what we are experiencing now, put that in context, give us a sense of what will determine how deep this recession will be, perhaps how long it will last, how effective the fiscal and monetary policy respons

eastern on afterwards, former fbi director andrew mccabe with his book, the threat. in the fbi protects america the age of terror and trump. >> >> i was concerned about what i felt were the corrosive impacts these false narratives about the fbi, the corrosive impact those narratives were having on the people of the fbi, and their ability to do their work. i felt like if people understood really more about the organization, who we are a how we work, a kind of people are drawn to the fbi him and most importantly, how we make the decisions we did. they are based on specific legal authorities and priorities and policies given to us by the department of justice. not based on politics and personal preference. >> watch afterwards this weekend on book tv on c-span2. while the coronavirus pandemic continues, your member's of congress are working from their home districts. >> many of my folks, 30% of them, are ones at the automotive industry. the other majority are what i would call your front-line workers, now considered essential workers. i hope people do not forget these ar

this evening hour "after words" interview with former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe discussing his career and his firing. we look at author programs about technology. final information of the program guide. >> good afternoon and welcome to the event at new york university school of law. i am a fellow at the british center for justice which is a nonpartisan law and policy institute affiliated with the law school and i'm delighted to be a moderator this afternoon. we are delighted that martin garbus is here to discuss his legendary legal career and one case featured in his recent book north of havana, secret diplomacy and the trial of the cuban five. martin garbus is a legal lien, he really is, but doesn't look like one. an expert in civil and criminal trials, litigation who was nearly court-martialed out of the army. he is the opportunity, the only court-martial out of the army, and the desk job the army gave him as an opportunity as a springboard to attend new york university nyu law school at night. his career in law started that way. and and called his 1970 case, and government e

this week former deputy fbi director andrew mccabe who appeared in february, 2019 discussed his career, the fbi coming of his firing from the bureau. he was interviewed by "new york times" reporter adam goldman. all "after words" programs are also available as podcasts. >> host: hello, i'm adam goldman, reporter with "the new york times." >> guest: good to see you. >> host: thanks for being here. we know a lot about you. you've been on it october, or some may say a redemption tour and we know a fair amount about you that you were in the fbi for close to 20 years. >> 21 years. >> host: you have a bunch of different positions, you did terrorism in 2006 and a ros i ro the highest ranks to the deputy director until you were fired by attorney general jeff sessions for what they say is a lack of candor in interviews. much has been talked about in the books. i thought i would take a shot at many asking new questions. before we get into the meat of the book i guess i have a question about writing. i wonder how long did it take you to write this book and what was the process like because you ar

andrew mccabe, you don't need a lawyer. he did, comey set on tape he did something he would never do under the bush or mop obama ministrations. he exploded all and two best-selling books, fox news contributor, investigative reporter sara carter. greg, let's start with you. what we expect? >> the obstruction of justice statute says if you corruptly impede or interfere in the due administration of justice you have committed a crime. what do we have here? we have the fbi and his prosecutors hiding exculpatory evidence that under the law they're supposed to turn over. they also concealed from the court they are terms of the plea deal, which was they will remove flynn son, which was unconscionable, and based on phony evidence anyway. what happens when prosecutors actually create a crime or invent a crime to keep the goal, get him to lie so we can get him fired. that could be an abuse of power. to invoke his right to remain silent, he will need it along with peter strzok, and lisa pa lisa page. they are the ones framed corruptly

this is the formal head -- after meeting with him, fbi director james comey and andrew mccabe this jumps out. what is our goal? to get him to live so he can prosecute him or get him fired? another sentence, if we are seen as playing games the white house will be furious, protect their institution by not playing games. now flynn's attorney is reacting. >> devastating evidence of the lengths they were willing to go to just disregard all prior protocols. they had only special violations of every protocol known for him because they were determined to take him out. abusing their authority at every turn. >> reporter: the documents shedding more light on flynn's interviewing agents peter struck and lisa page with whom he was romantically involved, they talked about how to discuss that flynn interview. william barr overseeing the investigation into the handling of the flynn case, lindsey graham wants to know more. >> general flynn deserved better from his government. he was willing to die for his country. the people who were involved in this will be held to account. attorney general william barr

back and forth between lisa page and peter strzok and they also refer to the dd, deputy director andrew mccabewhen you get a look of some of what is in here when which we will do with andy mccarthy, there is discussion about getting them to live so we can prosecute him or get him fired. we will drill down on all of this and explain what it is as this is a very fast-moving story and we expect that there are more documents to be unsealed shortly as well. stay with us for breaking news on that. also breaking tonight, we continue with covid-19's devastating toll on america's most vulnerable populations. this time we look at a facility in massachusetts where at least 68, some estimates say over 70 come of our veterans who fought for their country have died from an outbreak inside of the holyoke a soldier's home in what is believed to be the deadliest outbreak in a long-term care facility thus far. one man whose father-in-law lives there says "these guys never had a chance." in moments, i will speak with the state attorney general investigating what went wrong. >> at the peak of the outbreak the hol

met and written with james comey and andrew mccabe.the three discuss why they would interview him. one section says what is our goal? truth, admission or get him to lie to prosecute him and get him fired. president trump fired flynn and he pled guilty to lying to the fbi in 2017. he has since withdrew his plea and wanted the case thrown out. they wanted to figure out if jake is reacting after donald trump was elected and transitioning to the white house. oakland's attorney says is evidence theyd protocols . >> the notes are damning of the conduct and plan. >>reporter: former fbi agent peter struck ordered the fin case remains open even though it was said to be close because investigators found no derogatory information on flynn. ray bogan fox news. >>> "ktvu" news at five starts now. >> the nation's jobless numbers reached new highs is more than 3 million people filed for unemployment this week and many who have lost their jobs have had trouble getting the relief they need. >> governor newsom said today all peaches and orange county ha

eastern on after words, former fbi director andrew mccabe with his book "the threat, how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump". >> i was concerned with the corrosive impacts of the narratives on the fbi and the people of the fbi and how they do their work and i felt if people understood more about the organization, who we are, what kind of work, how we're drawn to the fbi and more important, how we make the decisions we did, based on specific legal authorities and priorities and policies given to the department of justice not based on politics and preference that sort of thing. >> watch after words this weekend on book tv on c-span2. >> television has changed since c-span began 41 years ago, but our mission continues, to provide an unfiltered view of government. already this year we've brought you primary election coverage, the presidential impeachment process and now the federal response to the coronavirus. you can watch all of c-span's public affairs programming on television, on-line or listen on our free radio app and be part of the national conversation through c-s

images of james comey's head, peter strzok, andrew mccabe.ld say straight to president trump's veins. >> i've got to say, i want to know what the book count is on either current or former administration officials during the trump presidency, and if that book count is larger than any other current or former administration officials in other presidencies. i would be confident to say that it is. jonathan swan, thank you, as always. going to be reading axios am in a little bit. sign up at signup.axios.com. that does it for me on this friday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> hi, everybody. >> hi, dr. ned. >> thank you very much. >> doctor, this malpractice committee received a few complaints against you. >> i'm just here to present talent. i'm here to present ideas. >> there's a crazy man with a sk scalpel in er, demanding to see a quack. >> supposing you bring the light into the body, through the skin or some other way. >> slow down, sir. you're going to give yourself skin failure. >> i see the disinfectant, whe

about technology, followed by an encore episode of afterwards with former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe who discusses his career and his firing. also michael details this economic struggles with student loan debt, former secretary of state and the george w. bush did administration condeleezza rice talks about the national security threat posed by the coronavirus pandemic. find more information on your program guide or online at booktv.org. >> here are some of the current best-selling nonfiction books according to vroman's bookstore in pasadena, california. >> some of these authors have appeared on booktv and you can watch them online at booktv.org. .. >> good evening, everyone, i'm dr. rob citino, the senior historian nationalec

this week former deputy fbi director andrew mccabe who appeared in february, 2019 discussed his career, the fbi coming of his firing from the bureau. he was interviewed by "new york times" reporter adam goldman. all "after words" programs are also available as podcasts. >> host: hello, i'm adam goldman, reporter with "the new york times." >> guest: good to see you. >> host: thanks for being here. we know a lot about you. you've been on it october, or some may say a redemption tour and we know a fair amount about you that you were in the fbi for close to 20 years. >> 21 years. >> host: you have a bunch of different positions,

eastern on "after words", former fbi director andrew mccabe with his book, the threat.ow the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump. >> i was concerned by what i felt were the corrosive impact that these false narratives about the fbi, the corrosive impact those narratives are having on the people of the fbi and their ability to do their work. i felt like if people understood really about the organization. who we are, how we work.what kind of people are drawn to the fbi and most importantly, how we make the decisions we did. based on specific legal authorities and priorities and policies given to us by the department of justice. not based on politics and personal preference.>> on "after words" this weekend on booktv on c-span2. >> the presidents available in e-book presents biographies of every president organized by ranking by noted historians from best to worst. and features perspectives into the lives of our nations chief executives and leadership styles. visit our website c-span.org/the presidents. to learn more, order your copy today. wherever books an

eastern on afterwards, former fbi director andrew mccabe with his book "the "the threat." -- >> i was concerned about these false narratives about the fbi, the corrosive impact those were having on the people of the fbi. as people really understood more about the organization, who we are, how we work, what kind of people are drawn to the fbi, and most importantly, how we make the decisions we did. they are based on legal priorities and policies given to us by the department of justice. not based on politics and personal preference. >> this weekend on book tv on c-span2. >> american history tv is on c-span3 every weekend. all of our programs are archived on our website at c-span.org/history. you can watch lectures, tours of historic sites, archival films, and see our schedule of upcoming programs at c-span.org/history. >> you are watching american history tv. styleng history, c-span with event coverage, eyewitness accounts, archival films, lectures, and visits to museums and historic places. all weekend, every weekend on c-span3. >> next, a session from a titled john marshall, the supr

eastern on afterwards, former fbi director andrew mccabe with his book, the threat.ow the fbi protect america in the age of terror and trump. >> really concerned what what he felt was kind of corrosive impact of these false narratives about the fbi. the corrosive impact that those narratives are happening on the people at the fbi in their ability to do the work. in affiliate people understood more about the organization and who we are and how we work with ten people are drawn to the fbi. most importantly we make the decisions. the based on specific legal authorities and priorities and policies given to us by the department of justice. not politics and preferences. that sort of thing. >> cspan two. as the coronavirus continues to impact the country, here's a look at what the publishing industry is doing to address the ongoing pandemic. former first lady michelle obama has announced a weekly children's story time. it will stream every monday at 12:00 p.m. eastern until may 20th. it's available to watch online at pbs kids youtube channel or penguin random house facebook

eastern on afterwards, former fbi director andrew mccabe with his book, the threat and how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump and it is really concerned. >> is a corrosive impact and falls narrative and about the fbi. the corrosive impact that the narratives are having on the people of the fbi. and their ability to do work. i think if people understood really more about the organization and we are, how we were, what kind of people drawn to the fbi. and most importantly, how we make the decisions we do. they are based on specific legal authorities and priorities, policies given to us by the department of justice. on the different politics and that sort of thing. >> watched afterwards this weekend on book tv on "c-span2". good. [background sounds]. >> welcome everyone. were in san francisco. on the director of events and were very pleased to welcome you to our author events.

but these protests themselves get some focus because they're violating provisions and the like, andrew mccabe joins us right now, fox contributor, more importantly the former u.s. assistant attorney would know the legality of this. always good to have you, andrew. i'm just wondering when people have had enough, our constitution does grant them the right to assemble, but when the governor says no, these are the distance provisions, which wins? >> well you know, neil i think the most important thing that you said in the intro leading up to this was that the public had made demands in some of these states and the governors had backed off and loosened the restrictions and i think the lesson there and we're going to see a lot more of that i imagine is that we can talk law school sense of what the competing claims are here. the government has legitimate interest protecting public safety from an infectious disease as a legitimate government concern and the public has fundamental rights, bill of rights provision s about free assembly, free speech, free religious exercise, and there are core tests tha

this weekend on booktv, sunday at 9:00 pm eastern on "after words" former fbi director andrew mccabe>> i was really concerned by what i felt were the corrosive impact these false narratives about the fbi, the corrosive impact they are having on people of the fbi and their ability to do their work. i felt people understood who we are, how we work, what kind of people are drawn to the fbi and most importantly how we make the decisions we

this is the arrogance, but also remember there was also a memo written by peter strzok to andrew mccaben what he would say to general flynn on the day of the interview. i want to remind viewers, mccabe lie today his own colleagues and fired but never charged for it. they charged general flynn in a setup interview with lying to the fbi but yet mccabe who lied to his own colleagues was never charged. there's a problem here. i want mr. durham to continue to see this. this is a real problem. maria: so congressman, when is enough? we know for a fact, it's been confirmed by the doj, at least four of the wiretaps on carter page were illegal. we know that general flynn was sets up, illegal. we know that there were informants in the trump administration before the official they say it began july of 16th, informants all over the place beginning inauguration happened. when is enough? when is anybody going to see inside of a jail cell here because this is massive abuse of power and now most people in america understand that? >> yeah, today is enough. today is enough. i mean, we have seen it this we