also senior law enforcement analyst, deputy director, andrew mccabe. shimon, walk us through what happened today. >> there was a lot of concern given that the president was coming to utah. and that set off a chain of events. first, the suspect here, craig robertson, on monday, the fbi saw that he posted a message on facebook saying that the president was coming to utah and that basically it was time for him to take action. he wrote that, i hear biden is coming to utah. digging out my old gilly suit, a camouflage item, and cleaning dust off the m-24 sniper rifle. and he says, welcome buffoon in chief. seeing this post, the fbi decided it was time to move in and take him off the street. this is a man they had been monitoring since march because of other threats that he had posted. most significant, what really started all this was a threat that he posted against the manhattan district attorney here in new york city, alvin bragg, because he's been investigating the former president, donald trump. so, he posts this facebook message about wanting to essenti

andrew mccabe is with us, of course served in the fbi.you ca can you see in this reaction here a measure of just how tuned in to this kind of threat and the way and how quickly perhaps and with what sort of number he is and what sort of resources that law enforcement responds to reports of an active shooter like this? >> yeah, this is a well rehearsed unfortunately response for law enforcement now. we know as you suggested, jim, that the time of response is absolutely essential to keep the victim countdown if you have an active shooter situation. so it is not surprising at all to see a massive response. you can see in the shot there, there are university police vehicles, there are also chapel hill city police vehicles there. i would expect there are probably also police from all kind of local departments probably responded. this tends to bring out a massive and very quick response. now, we haven't heard from any witnesses that saw a shooter or a shooting take place. but if there is a photograph circulating online, law enforcement are clea

i want to bring in senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe with former deputy director of the fbient biden is set to land in utah any minute now. just how imminent and serious was this death threat to him? >> well, wolf, it was extremely serious coming from an individual who was already under investigation for lodging disgusting and serious threats against other pol titicians and political figures. you mentioned the threat he made in march against alvin bragg in new york. that's what initiated the fbi's investigative interest when they received a tip from a social media company that brought that threat to their attention. so this wasn't the normal chatter that you hear in the run-up to an event that might include a politician or a president. this was someone they were already concerned about and then they started talking about acting out against the president in this tip and i'm sure that fwrazed everyone's concern to the absolute highest levels. what goes through your mind, and they're all included in this 49-page complaint that was just issued by the united states attorney again

. >>> with us is the former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe. you distinguish between the threats to the federal judge in this case the texas woman threatening to kill her and the threats to the grand jurors in georgia, why? >> that's right, john. as awful as this and any threat may be, the sad fact is that federal judges and people in law enforcement are used to receiving aggressive, threatening communications from people. again, that doesn't make it right. but it is part of the important job that they do. they're also -- they also have access to the absolute best resources to protect them from this sort of activity. so federal judges receive protection routinely and certainly in instances they're receiving threats they have deep and consistent relationships with law enforcement. the folks i'm really worried about are those grand jurors, everyday, ordinary citizens who stepped up to you meet their civic duty by sitting on a grand jury, which is important to thing to do and they should not be subjected to this threatening activity. i understand

and here with me to share their legal insightings, former director andrew mccabe, shan wu and michael moore. nice to see you, gentlemen. happy friday. as we start to discuss this substance of this strategy behind all these legal cases, i just want to put up on the screen for our viewers what we all saw when we were right here. the booking sheet for the former president. just not something we have ever seen, i believe, a booking sheet for a former president. andrew mccabe, when you see this and when you think kind of big pick about the spectacle and the gravity of what happened in georgia and what is happening in georgia, what comes to mind? >> georgia, there's an undenial raw quality to the case that you see going forward in georgia. compare it to jack smith's indi indictment, the federal indictment involving january 6th, that was really kind of a soaring narrative, very focused on just a few charges. obviously, isolated on one defendant, donald trump. and really the themes in that indictment were the significant effort to undermine the counting of the votes and the certification of t

with me tonight, senior all enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. senior legal analyst laura coats. senior political analyst william porter, and senior special correspondent jamie gangel. let's start with something that i thought was very interesting, laura coates. the judge not only are cited the four charges flight out in the indictment but also, the maximum sentence potentially for anybody found guilty, convicted at them. this includes conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, which is a maximum of 20 years obstruction of an official proceeding, maximum conspiracy against rights, meaning's ability or attempt to take away the voting rights and parts of individuals to have to votes counted. that's ten years, it acts if if the ears, the recharge is a four. is that normal to give the charges and the maximum sentence? >> it is standard to provide the defendant with as much notice as possible so that they know the full scope of their actual charges. they also know his age, he stated. if you look arithmetic on that, the idea that if the maximum were imposed, it's really a life sent

with me here tonight cnn's senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, cnn chief legal analyst laura coates, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger, and special correspondent jamie gangel. let's start with something i thought was very interesting in the proceedings today, laura coates, which is the judge not only recited the four charges laid out in the indictment, but also the maximum sentence potentially for anybody found guilty, convicted of them. this includes conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, which is a maximum of 20 years, obstruction of an official proceeding, maximum of 20 years, conspiracy against rights, meaning his ability or his attempt to take away the voting rights or the rights of individuals to have their votes counted. that's ten years. that's a maxf 50 years of those k three charges out of four. is that normal to give all the charges and the maximum sentence? >> it is standard to provide the defendant with as much notice as possible so they know the full cope of their actual charges. note of course also she asked him his age. he stated it. if you wer

cor brennan, andrew mccabe, james clapper.they not only lied under oath, they did admittedl r oathy so they admitted they did without consequences. >> donald trump, a phone call. and what happens is impeach doen joe biden makes a phone call. he doesn't threaten to delay. 'the says he's going to cancel and he he doesn't look for corruption corrupt, adds to it.n >> he fuels it. nothing happens. he takes documents as vice president and as senator for a decade. nt and ar and a half.er three locations. nothing. trdsends the fbi after donalald trump, the american people, you know, they're sick of they're sick of the collusiothen 201016 farce. they were sick of the russianhee disinformationre laptop of 2020, and they can't eveevn wait till 2024. and i think at some point riople are going to conclude that if they don't say something and rise up, they're not going to have a country left. >> you expressed in thess same column and thought, i've been making not quited ie as as you. >> you say. to be blunt, biden is one more serioui' bees

we have senior law enforcement analyst, former fbi director, andrew mccabe is with us today. sarah matthews and gene rossi. back to you, tom foreman, in terms of what's going on right now break it down. how are we going to unpack all of this? >> we'll start with the two names you began with. john eastman. this is the trump lawyer who led the charge on the plan whereby mike pence would not certified the votes and they would kick it to the house of representatives and/or to governor gop-controlled legislate churs around the country, where they would declare trump to be the winner. he gave another impassioned speech today as he turned himself in. look, i'm just a lawyer representing the president. if you make this illegal, how are we going to do our jobs? the bail bondsman in atlanta, he is tied to the election machine breach. there were machines up there where the investigation found that a group of trump allies went in there and took data from the machines, which the prosecutor says is in violation of law. two mug shots so far. as you note, we have 19 total defendants. there w

. >> reporter: former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe says what he is worried about most is not thetile crowds but the individual lone wolf inspired by violent rhetoric who could target a court or city official connected to the cases. those people mccabe says are the hardest to find and to stop. brian todd, cnn, washington. >>> now to some quick hits across america. a sheriff's official says a search is under way at the former property of the btk serial killer in park city, kansas. they are following leads in unsolved missing and murder cases. >>> and one elementary school student and 23 others injured after a school bus overturned in southeastern ohio on the first day of classes. officials say a minivan crossed the center line and hit the bus. >>> and tropical storm harold that is now a depression has triggered flash floods, power outages and tornado warnings as it rips through south texas. forecasters say it is now tracking westward. >>> so what is the dead giveaway for ron desantis' mood when he gets on that debate stage? we'll have that, plus an extreme heatwave fueling deadly w

here with me to share their insights is former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, kristen holmes, andthe whole crux of what mark meadows said can be described in the following quote. there's a role for the chief of staff to make sure those campaign goals and objectives are implemented at the federal level. is that the role for the white house chief of staff, or is the chief of staff supposed to be dealing with the federal government and the president and his official capacity and not in the politics, which is what he argued in court yesterday? >> there are two different perspectives here. one, mark meadows, everything the president told him to do, that was his job and he was acting within the scope of his job, but that's not necessarily the way a judge is going to interpret what he was doing under color of authority. technically, color of authority means the acts that you undertook that were authorized by the statutes or the constitution that gives you the authority you have. so he is on shaky ground in terms of whether or not this judge is going to go along with his incredibly broad

back now with andrew mccabe and jamie gamble.ould note that it is possible to show this is basically the atlanta area in there doing investigations to flip georgia was seven states and more? >> we have to re- compartmentalize this. remember this is state prosecution. there's been a special grand jury and they've already had meetings in terms of those that they are working to report and manage the actual criminal grand jury we are actually accustomed to. she said by september 1st we will know whether or not she does intend to file any charges. note that a judge is here. it will be curious to see what they have to say. there was a school backpack donation drive she hosted in the county. she talked about not being pleased with all the decisions or what they might be but not showing your hand as to what they are. in the end it would likely be a fourth bite at someone who previously loved the big apple. >> we should note that one of the biggest and best pieces of evidence that they have with jack smith, is that they can honestly think

joining us is senior law enforcement analyst, former deputy director of the fbi, andrew mccabe.sh were talking about, there are specific and it was kind of ongoing and continuous, the threats that were coming that he was posting online. josh went through some of it. and even just last week, this man noted that president biden would be coming to utah, saying he would begin, quote, cleaning the dust off his m-24 sniper rifle. this gets at something that we have discussed for a long time in many regards, which is how does the fbi decide when speech rises to the level of an actual threat? >> well, kate, what you have just referred to, these are the exact things that the fbi looks for when they are coursing through reams of threatening speech, threats that are brought to their attention, they have the very hard job of trying to figure out which of these speakers could actually become an actor, which there's a lot of people who say a lot of controversial things on the internet that they're not all actionable threats. but this individual, his repeated focus on political leadership, rep

top my head, just off the top of my head, joe biden, barack obama, hillary clinton, eric holder, andrew mccabeeller, how many people has donald trump said openly he wants locked up over the years? >> listen, it's always projection with the republican or trump allies, i should say, you know? when they are talking about what they are accusing democrats of doing, it's what they internalized and what they have been doing for the last couple of years. what can we say, then? we are going to have to wait and see how this all plays out. mehdi, great to see you, as always, my friend, enjoy the rest of your evening. and good evening to you tonight on ayman. the range, that is how one high-profile democrat describes the trump legal defense strategy in the election interference case. this, as we look ahead to a possible fourth indictment in georgia. then, vindication. vindication, excuse me. i will speak with the january six committees lead investigator on how -- efforts laid the groundwork for the criminal charges brought by jack smith. and going broke, republican state parties are struggling for cash an

andrew mccabe, let me start with you, the former deputy director of the fbi. do you worry these threats that are emerging could have a chilling effect on other witnesses and jurors that may be called to deal with this case? >> of course it could, wolf. so, these grand jurors are called to serve for several months to review numerous cases. these 26 folks have the opportunity to review and consider and vote on the case against donald trump. they did not sign up for a lifetime or several years worth of security details and wondering about who's going to show up at their house in the middle of the night. unfortunately, that's the reality they're looking at. and you have to think that that sort of terror bleeds over into the consciousness of folks who are called to be witnesses in these cases, folks who are called to jury duty. and of course, grand juries for the near future. >> yeah, it's a really, really horrible situation. and tia mitchell, thanks for coming in. judge esther solace, whose son was murdered at her home by a gunman targeting her not that long ago s

here with me now, cnn special correspondent, jamie gangel, former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe.former federal prosecutor, elliott williams. former trump attorney, tim parlatore. tim, i want to start with you. you have the special insight into this, of course. we're learning tonight about what could happen in the next ten days or so, a surrender to fulton county officials, the sheriff says he's gonna have to go to a county jail, basically. what do you expect to happen if you are his attorney? is it something you get over, with or you wait until the last second here. >> i think they're probably gonna want to wait till the last second, just because what we've seen consistently throughout these cases, the game of inches of trying to delay it out a little bit more. so, if they had ten days, and you surrender on the first day, if you're trying to drag the case out past the election, why not take the extra ten days. if it wasn't a case where you had an election, i would take my client in today. but that's a different calculus. >> of course, between today and the very last possible day,

. >>> and let's break it down with andrew mccabe and ben ginsberg.rump's lawyers say this is an accelerated time line and they can't be prepared. is that actually an accelerated time line? >> not particularly for a one defendant case in which you basically have three violations of law alleged. it is a big case, a case with a significant amount of discovery, but that sort of stuff is cut through every day in federal courts around the country. >> understood. okay. ben, mark meadows, his essential argument here, i should say his defense lawyer's argument, is that his duties as a member of the executive branch included what he was up to here including joining that phone call which -- in which the former president or the president at the time asked georgia top laebs oelection off to find those votes. but also speeding up the signature matching process by having the trump campaign pay for it. you're a lawyer here. does his argument that these fell under his duties as a federal official, does it stand? >> i think it will be pretty difficult to have that arg

here to share their insights, evan perez, andrew mccabe and elliot williams.s great to have all of you here on a day when we are digesting about potential movements in georgia. elliot, where do you think the next couple of days are going and also as we piece this together in the broader theme, the broader story of all of this with it being potentially the fourth indictment how this case lines up against the others. >> it seems like we will see an indictment in the next couple of days, certainly the grand jury is meeting as we know today and tomorrow and hearing evidence. now, the way it works in georgia at least for this case there was a special grand jury that made a recommendation to the district attorney and now she's presented the state's attorney now she's presenting this evidence to the real grand jury, the full grand jury to bring charges. it appears not just the former president but a number of other people connected or around him may be brought in here. what's striking and notable is the possibility of racketeering charges in effect arguing that the d

. >> andrew mccabe, you're the former deputy director of the fbi. the 45-page indictmes really important reading. i recommend everyboda copy and read it. the indictment says this, and i'm quoting, the defendant had a right to publicly about the electi even to claim falsely that there had been outcome determinative frau but it then goes on to say this, quoting on again from the indictment, the defendant also pursued unlawful means of subverting the election results. so i take that is potentially a deliberate strategy from the special counsel. >> absolutely. that's the special counsel trying to defuse in some ways this first amendment argument you've heard from mr. trump's lawyers. had he only said he thought the election had been stolen and publicized his issues with that, filed court cases in an effort to institute recounts and those sorts of things, we would not be here today. this indictment is not charging him for simply what he said. it's for what he did, and his speech was a part of that. the criminal law in this country has long penalized peop

i want to get perspective from cnn senior legal analyst elie honig, carrie cordero and andrew mccabe. elie, we saw walt nauta didn't have a florida-based attorney. now this guy doesn't. is this the strategy to delay or is it legit? >> it seems that way to me. it's not unusual, but it's not ideal to show up to court without a barred lawyer. he was indicted, in fairness, late thursday. so, that gave him one business day. the bigger issue is we now have three defendants in this case. all of them have the exact same incentive, to delay at every turn. we saw it with walt nauta not having a lawyer. >> we should point out de oliveira's attorney, who is washington based, is being paid for by a pac related to the former president. >> also very significant. it will make it more difficult for de oliveira to flip. if they're taking every opportunity a day here, couple days here, a week here, that's going to add up and make it difficult for the doj to get this trial done by may. >> if you're the new defendant and you're now seeing the inside of the federal courtroom, are you thinking of cooperatin

cnn's paula reid, former federal prosecutor elliot williams and former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabeelliot, you heard katelyn say this is not a proposal for a gag order meaning you can't speak at all. a protective order, my understanding, obviously you are all attorneys, but you're somebody who you have done this in court, is pretty standard. talk about the dynamics and frankly the posturing that's going on right now. >> sure. big, big, big difference between those things. a gag order is where you in effect silence a defendant or party in a case or witness about talking about the case publicly for whatever reason. judges hate doing that. that's not what this is here. a protective order governs how evidence that the prosecution has in its possession gets handled. they have to turn it over to the defense prior to trial. what does the defense do with it? can they show it to other people? where can they view it? how can they view it, who has access to it? that's a pro he can testify order. the judge will hammer out all of this. i'm curious to see how quickly she rules on t she's probably

earth event perez, katelyn polantz, former fbi director andrew mccabe and former federal prosecutor elliot williams. happy friday, everybody. it feels like a friday. >> is that what day it is? >> it's been a very long week. let's just start with where donald trump left us after he was serving inside when he came for the arraignment. and this is what he said to reporters. it was very brief, but very deliberate. >> this is a persecution of a political opponent. this was never supposed to happen in america. this is the persecution of the person that's leading by very, very substantial numbers in the republican primary and leading biden by a lot. so if you can't beat him, you persecute him or prosecute him. >> i want to have you talk about that, but also, you were inside the court about what exactly the former president's posture was. because some of the color and kind of the scene was really fascinating. >> it was. and one of the things coming up to this hearing was that the court took great pains to make sure that the public had access to it, but also that donald trump was treated like any c

that andrew mccabe, would be the strategy on the defense side. how would separating this case change the prosecution by d.a. fani will sns. >> she's made it clear from the start she wants all these defendants together, behind the same table or group of tables, in this case 19 people. that's because she want to be able to put all the evidence they have against many different individuals together in the same pile. it creates a much more devastating view for all the defendants. it's easier to get a single jury to get people rounded up into one big group than it is to take your chances against smaller group of people. >> norm, the latest one is we now know that cameras will be allowed in the courtroom, in georgia. what do you think the impact of that is going to be? what are you expecting? >> it will have a beneficial impact on the whole. there will be downsides. on the plus side this is a matter of the utmost importance to every american. the amount of attention which was substantial that the january 6th committee got for their televised hearings wi

. >> andrew mccabe, your the former deputy director of the fbi. do you think it was truly necessary for georgia authorities to take a mug shot of the former president trump? >> i think that the georgia authorities are trying to make a point that they are handling this case in the normal way they do with every criminal defendant in fulton county in as much as that is possible. because he is a former president of the united states and the fact that he has a secret service protective detail around him 24 hours aday. there is really no way to handle him exactly the way that everyone else does. we know he got to fill out the paperwork in advance. he was only inside of the jail for a very short period of time but nevertheless they went through the steps that are typically seen as a part of the process. the mug shot is one them. every other one of the 18 defendants got their mug shot taken. so i think it would have been improper for them not to do it to him. >> and tia mitchell is also with us. and trump posted on twitter now known as x last night for th

in terms of the dossier, andrew mccabe said was so necessary, for the approval of pfizer warrants thatheld back doors on the trump campaign and presidency, what did we learn? not a single thing in the document could be verified, not one thing.hillary clinton bought and paid for dossier so that goes on. the markham people have a combination of two impeachments, three years of the russia hoax, now, one indictment after another after another with one sure to follow in fulton county, georgia. do you believe the reason they president paul numbers keep going up after something like this happens, is because people see this not as prosecution, but persecution? >> yeah, i think when you saw jack smith comes the microphone about 6 pm eastern time, and left his case, there was no case! he had no smoking gun, he had no direct evidence of the president doing something illegal. i think actually, when he went up to the microphone and laid out the indictment, he actually vindicated donald trump on a lot of things. all the january 6 committee garbage that went on, they had all of these allegations agai

. >> andrew mccabe is with us. the former deputy director of the fbi. what do you make of these threats to the staff of the fulton county sheriff's office? >> wolf, i think we can expect situations like this to continue happening around the prosecutions of donald trump. i think it's clear we've never had a defendant who has been able to face the same amount of pressure and stress on the criminal justice system while he's going through it as donald trump has been able to do. he does it with the way he speaks. with the postings he puts on his social media accounts. posts a picture of himself holding a baseball bat next to alvin bragg. said all kinds of threatening things about fani willis. we know the judge in the january 6th case in d.c. has already received a death threat from a trump supporter in texas. we can expect this to happen. the challenges for law enforcement to step up and provide protection to the people who are essential to putting this process through in a fair and consistent manner. >> tia mitchell is with us from the atlanta journal const

back now with the panel here, abby phillip, jamie gangel, dana bash and andrew mccabe.ndy, let me start with you. because, one of the strengths to the case put forward by both the special counsel and also the january 6th committee is how much of the testimony is from not just republicans, but from trump supporting republicans, people who are with him at the very, very end. and one of them is the then acting attorney general, acting deputy attorney general rather, richard donoghue and i interviewed him and talked to him some months ago about the scheme put forward by jeffrey clark who is mentioned as co-conspirator number four. in which he was trying to get donoghue and the acting attorney general jeffrey rosen to write letters to state, specifically georgia, but also others, saying that -- lying that there were -- that the justice department had identified serious problems with the election and i asked donoghue go that. let's roll that clip if we can. >> that a letter claimed that the u.s. department of justice's investigations have, quote, identified significant concer

. >> reporter: former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe says what he's worried about most with theseis not the large, hostile crowd around courthouses but the individual lone wolf inspired by violent rhetoric who could target a court or city official connected to these cases. those people, mccabe says, are the hardest to find and of course the hardest to stop. >> so disturbing. brian todd, thank you very much. >>> joining us to discuss is the former homeland security secretary, jay johnson. mr. secretary, thanks for joining us. how concerned are you by these threats to fulton county employees? how are officials working behind the scenes to try to ensure everyone's safety? >> first, wolf, i have a lot of confidence in law enforcement in the state of georgia, in fulton county. they've had a lot of time, many months, in anticipation of this indictment to plan for this moment. what is most disturbing to me are the threats directed against law enforcement personnel of a very personal nature. and i believe it's time that those who command a public voice, those who have a microphone, who ha

. >>> here with me, former fbi director andrew mccabe, former federal prosecutor elliot williams andvan, what are you hearing -- let me just start by asking you this and i want these other two gentlemen to add to it. for those of us who have not surrendered to allegations and to indictments, particularly in a place like fulton county, which as katelyn rightly pointed out is going to be a very different process, and atmosphere, even in new york, but certainly with the federal indictments that we've seen. >> he's gotten so much deference from the system up to this point. they made sure he can get in and out within minutes, certainly the federal system doesn't release any mug shots, the new york state also does not release mug shots and the fulton county system, however, has their law, allows for the release of mug shots. according to the sheriff there they're going to treat him like any other defendant. he's going to show up at the jail, not at the court house where he has been processed on his previous three arrests. that just brings the extraordinary part of this even more into extra

. >>> perspective from senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, also sarah flak, and jessica roth. andy, let's start with the obvious here. you know, it's a big deal for mark meadows to testify under oath this early in a process. how big of a deal? >> huge deal, john. huge deal. and it's potentially very, very dangerous. he is a defendant in a criminal matter. he has not had the benefit of seeing the government's case. he has not -- in his course of his experience as a defendant, he'll get to see through discovery the government's evidence, any other statements they have of him that they may try to use against him. he hasn't seen any of that stuff yet. so, now he's been under oath on the stand, making statements that will undoubtedly be brought up to him again if he decides to take the stand in his own defense in the criminal matter. so, it's very, very risky move for him, but it shows you how intent he is on trying to get this case out of state court. >> so, jessica, pick up on that. very risky but, to mark meadowss and his attorney, who's very experienced, they think worth it. w

andrew mccabe, listening there, shimon, walking through the threats this men made. graphic and specific. help us with context. when you're the vice president, the attorney general, the president, the manhattan d. a., how does it fit in the context of other public officials you threaten over the years? >> sure, john, people say angry things about political leaders every day. on social media. and those statements are typically completely protected by the first amendment. what makes this individual different, he is articulating graphic, specific, violent threats. that's what initiate the fbi investigation. in the course of that investigation, he rebuffs all efforts to speak to him, and then he starts to threaten the fbi agents who came out to his house. he continues to make, essentially, death threats against alvin bragg, kamala harris, joe biden, gavin newsom. and shows actual proof of his ability to do so. he's posting photographs of nine assault weapons, someplace in his residents, presumably. he says he has ugly suit and a sniper rifle, and then posted a photograph

back now with andrew mccabe, laura coates, gloria voyager, and jamie.just note that it is possible donald trump will be indicted again in the district attorney of fulton county which is basically the atlanta area. she has been doing an investigation at donald trump's attempt to flip just georgia. today's indictment is about trying to flip seven states and more. she has been doing just georgia. >> first, how consequential that we have to actually compartmentalize and reintroduce the audience -- in might be this one, or this one. remember, this will be a state prosecution. he has had a special grand jury. they have already had the meetings in terms of the ones who write a report, then it is the actual criminal grand jury that we are more accustomed to. so she has said that by september 1st we are going to know whether she intends to file any charges. we will note, of course, the judge has already said to donald trump's legal counsel, no, you can throw her off this case. she has already had an interest in being able to pursue justice in this way. it will b

. >> laura: i mean, bret, the former -- speaking of having no credibility, andrew mccabe was on the other networks, this was his analysis of the indictment. >> all conspiracy statute, so they require that the person charged entered into an agreement with another person to commit the criminal act and of course executed at least one act of furtherance of that agreement. >> a majority of house republicans voted to disenfranchise voters of pennsylvania, voters of arizona. >> if you see a legislature indicted in this case, which i'm not sure that we will, if you do it's going to be someone who went beyond just their voting. >> laura: bret, they are at the point they are not going to just put trump in jail, but i guess a member of congress who supported donald trump, do we see where this is going? that's what they want. >> that's right. that's what they want. they want to go after politicians, anybody that disagree with them. you look at section 241 that's the charge they are bringing, a civil rights claim against them and that's their conspiracy. that charge in the lang raj of the statute says

in terms of the dossier, andrew mccabe said was so necessary, for the approval of pfizer warrants thatk doors on the trump campaign and presidency, what did we learn? not a single thing in the document could be verified, not one thing. hillary clinton bought and paid for dossier so that goes on. the markham people have a combination of two impeachments, three years of the russia hoax, now, one indictment after another after another with one sure to follow in fulton county, georgia. do you believe the reason they president paul numbers keep going up after something like this happens, is because people see this not as prosecution, but persecution? >> yeah, i think when you saw jack smith comes the microphone about 6 pm eastern time, and left his case, there was no case! he had no smoking gun, he had no direct evidence of the president doing something illegal. i think actually, when he went up to the microphone and laid out the indictment, he actually vindicated donald trump on a lot of things. all the january 6 committee garbage that went on, they had all of these allegations against don

lot going on there but let's discuss all of that and more with legal analyst and former analyst, andrew mccabe and cnn's own kristin holmes who has been very busy this week traveling with the trump campaign throughout all of this. but as we're coming on the air, elliott, this morning, we have another truth social from the former president, one that could some bearing on the case, he writes there is no way i could get a fair trial. everyone knows this and so does she. we will immediately be asking for a recusal of this judge on very powerful grounds and likewise for a venue change out of d.c. now the venue change is think is no huge surprisar not a surprise that he wants out this from judge, jung tanya chutkan who has been hearing a lot of january 6 cases. she's a tough judge that was appointed from the obama administration and now trump said this. >> trump will lose this motion if tis attorneys file it. here is the standard. you could recuse a judge, if there is some factor that means that the judge's impartiality might be questioned. that is what the law said. you have to basis right now, bas

. >> thanks anderson, with me in studio is andrew mccabe, as well as the cnn's abby phillips, dana bash, and -- senior chief legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, laura coates. so, let's talk about some of what is in this indictment. first of all, we should note, dana, that what is being alleged is no short of a criminal conspiracy. in fact it really resembles, in many ways, that closing statement that we heard from then congresswoman liz cheney about the degree to which this was not just happenstance it, was not just chaos, it was a concerted effort with many conspiracy -- conspiracists, coming up with various ways to try to overturn the results of a free and fair election. >> from state to state to state, it details from wisconsin to pennsylvania and beyond, and then the climax, of course, is what the former president did with regard to his then vice president. yes, you are absolutely right, the january six committee plowed a lot of this ground for the special counsel and his office, but they didn't talk about mike pence. mike pence wouldn't do it, he did speak to the special c

. >> although, andrew mccabe, we should note that the so-called crackpot attorneys, again, i'm quoting vice president pence, many of them are now co-conspirators named in this indictment, though not yet charged. rudy giuliani, sidney powell and on and on. >> that's absolutely right. that collection of six co-conspirators, whose identities were easy for anyone to figure out. >> five of the six. >> those folks are all in prime position to be thought of and recruited as cooperators to testify against the former president. on the other hand, they're all in prime position to be included on this indictment in the form of a superseding indictment or a follow-on indictment that addresses essentially the next level down from the president. so, they are in each of those folks is in a very tough spot to determine whether they are going to, you know, ride or die with the president or come on team america and try to provide evidence against him to save their own skin. >> jamie gangel, the response on capitol hill from republicans has been either complete silence, utter silence, or what george menti

there wasn't one single thing in the dossier that became, according to andrew mccabe, without the dossier. no fisa warrant approved by advisor court the basis of 45 warrants, three of them signed by the fbi director. and now here we are again and it seems like this just is not stopped from the moment this man came down that escalator with his wife, melania. and my wrong and my perception here. no. i mean, the washington post ran an article that day he was being inaugurated that the indictment are that the impeachment was about to begin. and in this particular case, uh, sean, i'm looking at this and thinking has anybody talked to governor stacey abrams about this? you know, she lost to governor kemp , but she still has never admitted that he won. she challenged this every which way you could imagine told, told everybody that there was fraud and there was miss counselors. all kinds of not just excuses, but saying this, so how is that different than what? these charges that they're bringing up against donald trump? i'm offended that this happened in 2020. we're about to turn the corner on la

now, you know, when donald trump accused andrew mccabe of treason, and i don't remember if he accusedng. they didn't say no, he didn't. they said and did nothing. i wonder what you think, pete, the damage done by silence. is that complicity? is it danger? is it undoable? >> of course it is complicit. the fact is, multiple years in the trump presidency with the large bulk of the federal bureaucracy doing nothing to push back against his outrageous comments and outrageous commands created lasting harm. you mentioned 9/11. i think about the work we did on the international terrorism front and january 6th and the failures. when i look at the fbi, when i look at law enforcement and of thinking about how do we approach this new threat, how much do we need to rebalance or rethink the level that we want law enforcement looking at these threats because there's such a hesitancy leading up to january 6th to look at anything which might be construed as political speech, no matter how violent, i think there's a very real need for a discussion about do we need to rebalance where that line is for fe

investigated trump, have the universally proven their critics right, jim comey, andy mccabe, peter strzok, james clapper, andrewan were all empowered to investigate trump, all have and retain a d hatred of him. if you're looking for fairness or independence do not pick investigators or prosecutors who love or hate the targets of their investigation. everyone on the side of jesus, my mom and my wife are capable of doing something wrong, something unlawful, as such is the nature of humankind. that includes former president trump, he like the rest of humankind is fully capable of committing criminal acts but the public must have confidence in the objectivity, the fairness, the historical equality, the confidence, the independence of those investigating prosecutors. many people in this country do not believe in the objectivity of prosecutors anymore and that is true actually on both sides of the political aisle. our last question comes from sharon from murray kentucky. >> hey trey, what is your opinion on the best way to deal with the corruption of washington? >> send a better people. politics is not going to be fi