durham. >> whether or not -- >> how it andrew mccabe, did you charge? when did you investigate? >> gentleman, time is inspired. when the scammers rhonda will move on to our last -- >> whether or not you have ever had occasion to try to investigate crimes under the rules and regulations. under the constitution but they were bound by. we can gather evidence and purely lawful ways. can't charge people because it might -- >> it's not viewed uncharged -- >> gentlemen, gentleman's time -- >> didn't investigate the mueller -- >> gentleman's time, gentleman's time. >> you are protecting those people -- >> gentleman's time has expired. gentlewoman from wyoming is recognized. >> mr. durham, in reviewing your report, i sincerely wanted to understand the work that you did and decipher the various investigations that we have been discussing. the origins, the history, backstory, the whose, the wise, but what's. the what ifs and the house. i desperately wanted to figure out what happened to once -- flagship law enforcement agency, the fbi in the doj. to determine what went wrong and to evaluat

back with me is andrew mccabe and charles ramsey.'s no guarantee this was going to be a peaceful surrender or no one would be attacked or assaulted or hurt in this. a dog brought this down. talk to me about what the pressure was like on officers to get this man captured alive. >> the intensity, the pressure we were talked about all night, peaks this morning when they know they have their guy in their sights. they have him sur roumdnded. he starts to crawl away. you have a decision not to engage him with firearms, which they could have. they know he is armed. he has the weapon within reach. they send in the dog instead. to resolve this as bloodlessly as possible. an incredible move to do that. we have the outcome where no shots are fired. >> yoda deserves a metal. >> my bad. go ahead. the discipline that the police exercised throughout this process is remarkable. this is a dangerous person. there's a lot of people, myself included, that i'm surprised it ended the way it ended. it was bloodless. it was peaceful. they were able to take

both john miller and andrew mccabe saying that is partly for security also for identification. you will notice that big tattoo on his back, that they are going to look for everything to make sure this is the right guy. this is, they say. he is on his way to another facility to be processed and then eventually to a different prison to go back to prison. not from the one he escaped from where there is a whole investigation going on right now. >> almost certainly under much different circumstances and security than he has been the last several weeks. with you on the phone is charles lyman who has been on a phone, owns a farm in that area that's been searched twice i understand in the last 14 days over the course of this manhunt. charles, are you with us? >> yes, i am. >> so talk to us about what that's been like. >> it's made us on edge for sure. we have believed he's been on our farm twice, once we discovered that there was things missing in one of our horse trailers and rummaged around in there, and another time by my mother's house on the farm, we have a kids bigotry house, pla

we want to talk about all of this, once again, with andrew mccabe the law enforcement analyst and former of the fbi and, andrew, look, you are a former fbi deputy director. and i have to say, how alarmed are you to hear our former president, and by the, way a current gop front runner float the idea of sham prosecutions that are retaliatory all over the campaign trail? >> yes, well, how do you start with this one. maybe we should just make a mention of the deep apoxsee of donald trump, the person who spent the last several months, year, whatever it's been -- and is basically telling the american voters that if elected that is exactly what he will do. i mean we know he has a plan in place, already to replace many of those department of justice, career professionals, civil servants you just mentioned and all those different divisions and different ways they serve around the department to re-classify their position so they can be replaced with political appointees. so, the one thing i disagree with you on laura, i don't think he's being sarcastic at all. i think donald trump has been heartfu

andrew mccabe, stand by. we'll get back to you. evan perez, good reporting, thanks to you as well. >>> i want to get to the election subversion case in georgia that's unfolding right now. the judge is scheduled to hold his first hearing less than 24 hours from now, and we expect it to be televised. cnn's senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid is following all the new moves in the case. paula, i understand you have exclusive new reporting. first, tell us more about this hearing tomorrow. >> reporter: wolf, it will be interesting. anyone can tune in to see how this judge handles critical questions, including scheduling and possibly breaking up this case. the district attorney has been asked to come with a good faith estimate for just how long it's going to take to hold a joint trial for 19 defendants. several of those individuals, they've already asked to separate or sever their cases to get to trial faster. the district attorney will also be asked to address what would happen if this massive case is broken up into smaller gro

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it reads a lot like what is happening -- the scene real, but in fact, andrew mccabe, it is real. he has been quite brazen, it seems. he has been spotted. he's not actually covering behind cover of darkness, although a lot of the camera -- we have seen he has been sort of in the darkness. does it surprise you that he is being so brazen while he is on the run? >> not at all, not at all. so, that interaction between the homeowner and who, we believe, is a subject we are looking for, that is the moment that we have all been kind of afraid of. when this desperate man, this desperate murderer, who has no ability to communicate, he's got no transportation, very little food, just the clothes on his back, no shelter -- he is forced to break into a house, to steal the things he needs. and he confronts a homeowner. like, that is the moment when this situation could turn incredibly violent. he is certainly somebody who could exhibit the propensity to go in that direction. so, i think we are all incredibly lucky. and certainly, that homeowner's, and his family, are lucky that it didn't go tha

we're going to take that up with andrew mccabe. first, cnn's karen scannell. >> some of the cash was stuffed in the senator's jacket pockets. >> reporter: indicted again, bob menendez facing corruption related charges for the second time in ten years. prosecutors announcing a three-count federal indictment against the democratic senator and his wife over dealings with businessmen starting in at least 2018. >> the senator and his wife accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in exchange for senator menendez using his power and influence to protect and to enrich those businessmen. >> reporter: the alleged bribes include more than $550,000 in cash hidden in the senator's home and safe deposit box, a mercedes-benz convertible, and gold bars worth tens of thousands of dollars, among other things. the indictment also alleges the senate foreign relations committee chair, quote, provided sensitive u.s. government information, and took other steps that secretly aided the government of egypt. >> behind stthe scenes, senator menend

. >>> i want to bring in andrew mccabe, former deputy director and cnn analyst. you're distant from me today. i usually have you by my side. you're used to being tight-lipped about investigations, by necessity, from the fbi. attorney general merrick garland was not forthcoming on everything, either by the fact he delegated it and wanted it to be known he was not in control of the investigations under special counsel. or he knew the power of a stray comment. from your experience, from the fbi, and leading investigations. help us understand what the gravitas is, of the attorney general or any attorney speaking of investigations. >> laura, it's great to be with you tonight, as well. i can tell you of having the unfortunate experience of having to testify in front of this committee and many others, during my time in the fbi, these are moments that leaders in the justice department and in the fbi, absolutely dread. you have no margin for error. by definition, the work that you're doing, is sensitive. it's not something that is discussed. you know you don't have satisf

joining me now, brian todd and andrew mccabe d retired fbi official agent. this is another sighting tonight of him? in real time? what do you know? >> we got word a short time ago, from trooper james mckay. he's said there's been sighting of him tonight. within the last two hours, my team and i saw and moved through visibly ramped up police fence in the area. that was the area where he, according to local residents and police ditched a van he has stolen. he stole that from a dairy farm. that area is the area we're talking about. we saw a ramped-up police fence a short time ago. the pennsylvania state police. moments ago, issued reverse 911 calls to all of the people in that area. this is from the pennsylvania state police. it says, the pennsylvania state police are receiving reports of escaped convict, in the area of ridge road, in south coventry township, possibly armed with a weapon. all residents are asked to remain indoors. if you observe anything suspicious, if you see the individual, do not approach him. call 911. they are saying that he possibly has a

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andrew mccabe has well. more now on georgia, the former president's effort to get the case quashed, and to andrew's point about attacking the justice system, he's certainly done this concerning prosecutor fani willis. >> they say there's a young woman, a young racist in atlanta. she's a racist. right here in georgia, you have a lunatic marxist district attorney. >> also today on his social network he quoted, are the criminal cases against trump unconstitutional. this follows by several days' efforts in colorado to find a constitutional way to keep the former president off the ballot. joining us with views on that and connections as well, brad raffensperger who are testified before the trump grand jury. mr. secretary, appreciate it you being with us. what is your reaction to the former president trying to get system of the georgia state charges thrown out? do you think he'll have success with that? >> well, good evening, anderson. i'm not an attorney. in fact, i'm right now focused on securing elections and em

cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe joins me now.our gut tell you about how this guy has been able to avoid law enforcement for five days, especially if he's still in the area? >> john, my sense of this is this was likely an escape of opportunity, so not the result of a long-term planning, working with a confederate, developing, you know, assistance from inside or outside the facility. it was rather an opportunity presented itself and this guy ran. if that's the case, right now he finds himself without money, without transportation, without any sort of communications device, telephone, internet, anything like that, no food, no shelter. so, that would explain why he's not been able to get very far away from the prison. it also explains why he's been able to evade law enforcement in the more technical ways. typically you put surveillance on known associates and family members and residences and you listen to phone lines and hope that contact will be made in an effort to find assistance or money or transportation. he probably isn't capa

i'm joined by elie honig, and andrew mccabe.gave an interview to nbc news yesterday where he was very revealing about the decision to falsely claim that the 2020 election was stolen. listen to this. >> were you listening to your lawyers' advice or your own instincts? >> i was listening to different people and when i added tup, the election was rigged. >> were you calling the shots ultimately? >> as to whether or not i believed it was rig, sure, it was my decision. >> so is this statement from trump something that could be very useful to prosecutors? >> sure, wolf. i think donald trump made some fundamental concessions here. the prosecutors are going to be very interested in. in that clip he acknowledges it was his decision to move forward and it was his intend to overturn the results of the election. the rest is consistent with donald trump's defense. i was getting certain piece of advice from some advisers, contradictory advice to other advisers, ultimately i relied on my gut. every time he speaks in public, that's fair game fo

but, here we are. >> andrew mccabe -- thanks so much. karen -- , is going to stick around. i want to talk about today's big development in one of the four trump criminal cases. but first, the commissioner had just before -- with new york democratic congressman and former federal prosecutor dan goldman. >> you heard what hunter biden 's attorney is saying, what do you think of? this? >> well look, it is a crime that, in my ten years as a federal prosecutor, i have never heard of being charged. the facts of it seem to be that he had a gun for 11 days, and he lied. in making that application for a gun. and, that is the letter of the law. i, am somewhat concerned, as they are, that what changed the prosecutors mind may have been some of the political influence. but at the end of the day anderson, if hunter biden committed crimes, he should be held accountable for them. but those crimes, and that investigation, should remain in the department of justice, in the court of law. hunter biden is not the president, and whether or not he committed crimes is not grounds for an impeachme

for more on this story, i'm joined by cnn senior law enforcement analyst charles ramsey and andrew mccabencharted, and potentially very dangerous territory, now that cavalcante is armed? >> well, very much, wolf. we knew he was dangerous before. absolutely no question about that. now, i mean, he is extremely dangerous now that he has his hands on a fire arm. i mean, this changes everything. the search, the danger to the officers doing the search, the danger to the public. he's desperate. he has absolutely nothing to lose. he's already sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. and if he wanted to surrender, he would have done it a couple of weeks ago. this guy is going to either, one, try to get transportation forcefully, maybe, to get out of the area. or shoot it out with the cops. i mean, i just don't see him leaving peacefully. >> andrew, the lieutenant colonel we just heard, he says nothing has gone wrong during this search. this dangerous killer, convicted murderer, now has a gun after being seen in public many times over the past 13 days. so is that true? >> i th

the next day, the fbi finalized talking points drafted by lisa page on the direction of andrew mccabe on the gang of eight in congress. congress was brief prior to director comey's testimony on march 20th. attorney general barr told them that this was the factual basis, and looking at irregularities, misstatements, and omissions. your report makes no mention of the talking point prepared for congress, why? this was the crux and the simple portion of what we were talking about. i want the clerk to put it on the screen talking point number seven. in the sussman case, they contain allegations about manafort operating high level contacts with carter page, that steele had a primary sub source who was russian based. and that the primary sub source had a network of high level republican sources. the same garbage that detention go head debunked in his january interview. these talking points were circulated among senior fbi leaders and department of justice leaders, more than a dozen past on them. did you interview them all about how this could occur? or consider this material as the basis of

andrew mccabe, andrew williams, thank you for your expertise on this. now pushing back at former president donald trump, who was planning his own trip to detroit, as the first ever strike against all big three automakers at once is now well into day five. how do we decide what hotel to book? fear not, i got you. choice hotels has a hotel for every type of stay. like a comfort with the kiddos. spacious! that's what they all say. you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean- not spreadsheets. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire >> the head of the united auto workers union and now on day five of a strike against the big three automakers has words for former president donald trump after he announced plans to skip the second republican debate next week, and announced a counter program with a speech to autoworkers in detroit. the president, sean fain, once essentially no part of that visit and said today, quote, every fiber

joining us now, cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe. on the breaking news, what's behind trump's decision not to try to move his georgia state case to federal court? >> well, this one was a genuine strategic stunner in my view. there were plenty of good reasons why donald trump would want to be in federal court starting with the fact he would have a more favorable politically jury pool to choose from. that said, there are countervailing considerations here which may underline his decision to stay. the judge, if you look at the filing, it seems donald trump is quite satisfied with the state level judge who has indeed given fair rulings. he's given some that trump's team likes where on the opposite side of it, judge steven jones is an obama nominee. he has firmly rejected prior notions by others to come over into federal court. there's also the uncertainty about timing. it could be trump feared if he went into federal court, he'd be pushed to trial quickly but in state court, those cases seem to be on a much slower track. then there's th

former deputy director andrew mccabe roaeacted to the news earlierier on cnn. >> this is an important next step. it is by no means a gag order. this is not what's under consideration here, but this is elevating the warning citing a specific local court rule and presenting it to him. if she passes this, he's going to be officially on notice. then the next instances, which i'm sure will come, will result in some real consequences. >>> the they are starting to blast the new england area. it's bringing 80 mile per hour winds along the northeastern coast. lee is expected to move through maine and into canada bringing clothes tall flooding and high winds. the worse conditions are forecasted for later today with widespread power outages across parts of new brunswick. it's expected to weaken before it moves across the atlantic coast of dcanada by sunday morning. >>> in hawaii the official death toll has fallen from the devastating wildfire on maui. the state's governor told cnn fewer than 100 people have died and nearly 3 dozen people unaccounted for. he expects those numbers to continue to f

i want to bring in andrew mccabe, former fbi deputy director, and cnn senior law enforcement analyst.andrew, i'm so glad to see you. although, your distance from me today. i usually have you by my side. but nice to see you from a distance for a moment. you are used to being quite tightlipped about investigations. by necessity, obviously, from the fbi. an attorney general merrick garland was trying to speak on many of these investigations. but he obviously did not, was not forthcoming on everything. either by the fact that he had already delegated it, wanted to be known that he was not in control of a variety of different investigations under special counsel. , or perhaps, he knew the power of the straight comment. from your experience, from the fbi and leading investigations, help us understand what the gravitas is of the attorney general or any government attorney speaking about active investigations? >> so, it's great to be here with you tonight as. well and i can tell you from my experience in having the unfortunate experience of having to testify in front of this committee and man

and here with me is former deputy director andrew mccabe, chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john muller, retired state highway patrol captain ron johnson, and former washington, d.c. police chief charles ramsey. chief ramsey, i want to start with you because i am a washingtonian at this it point. i remember the sniper when you were involved in a manhunt. talk about what you saw here, particularly given the experience that you have with looking for somebody and having a community very, very concerned about it. >> fist of all, it was a effort on all the law enforcement agencies coming together to conduct this manhunt. people don't realize how difficult that is in terms of the lo gistics and bringing everyone together, but they come together seamlessly. this was a very intense effort over an extended period of time. they finally caught a break. the burglar alarm alerted them to a particular area. the dea used heat technology ands was able to get that heat register so they knew they had a person in that area. they were able to surround the area. we had a tremendous rainstorm in

out front is andrew mccabe former fbi director and former cnn law enforcement analyst, it's been 36 hours what do the early hours of the search look like? >> the early hours are always the most important particularly when it comes to the kind of traditional manhunt side of this chase, so you know, if you imagine that this was an escape of opportunity that he's left the facility, and he has no known access to transportation or funds or support structure, then it is literally getting law enforcement officers out in that community trying to find him. it is as you can see from your coverage an incredibly rural place populated by farm and wooded lands. those first hours are essential to try to course through as much of that property as can you. >> right now he's believed trying to make his way to brazil to mexico because that's what he did before. law enforcement says at this point there's no reason to believe he's left that area. why are they thinking that? what do you think? >> it's hard for me to say why they believe that he hasn't left the area. but we know that it would be almost impossib

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andrew mccabe, let me start with you. hunter faces these three felony firearm counts.re these charges based on everything you know, warranted and appropriate? >> well, wolf, i would say they're appropriate in that these are simple charges and based on the information that's already in the public record, it appears there's a factual basis for them. it doesn't appear that the grand jury didn't have a reason to vote for this indictment. however, the question is why. when we look at the fact that charges are very, very rarely ever brought against defendants on circumstances like this, particularly when the gun that is allegedly unlawfully possessed wasn't involved in another crime. by "the washington post" report today, they did an analysis of all federal firearms charges for unlawful possession from the period of october 22nd, october of 2022 to march of '23. charges under circumstance like these comprised only 3%, 3% of all unlawful possession charges. so with the rarity of this basis for these charges, it raises some very serious questions about why they're being brough

. >> andrew mccabe, how do you see it? >> absolutely the same.hances that he will do prison time are pretty good, unless he has the conviction reversed on appeal. the statute carries a mandatory minimum of at least one month in jail for each conviction. that's capped out at a year. so convictions on two counts, he could do one month to a year. we know that steve bannon's already been sentenced to four months in prison. he hasn't served those yet, because his appeal is pending, as well. so we'll see how that goes. but yeah, prison time i think is certainly in the cards. >> as you know, he could have avoided all of this had he simply complied with that subpoena and gone ahead and testified. >> look, other people came in and took the 5th. he could have done that. you know, as laura said, you have to show up. no one is above the law. and what this case shows, what this steve bannon case shows as laura said, someone is enforcing that now. >> we turn the corner to the georgia election subversion case. fani willis, the d.a., is dismissing congressman jo

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. >> andrew mccabe, you're the former deputy director of the fbi.secutors are accuse trump of essentially running the same playbook used to sow doubt with the public about the integrity of the 2020 presidential election, and that's pretty significant. >> it really, is wolf. it's interesting the -- the motion reads in a way that resonates very clearly with the indictment. they actually refer to the indictment. in the motion they refer to the kind of the overarching allegations that the president willfully and knowingly lied about the election for the purpose of altering the result. they are saying he's littlefully lying about the judge, about the witnesses and the process and the court system in an effort to kind of put his thumb on the scale, to prejudice the jury pool, to intimidate witnesses, and i agree with jennifer that this is an important next step. it is by no means a gag order. this is not -- that's not what's under consideration here, but this is elevating the warning citing a specific local court rule and presenting it to him if she passe

>> paula reid, thanks very much, joining us now -- cnn law enforcement analyst and fbi deputy andrew mccabe. -- what your reaction to the judge from judge chutkan? >> it's not surprising, but as follows that, it's all he to succeed. the judge will make her own decision. certainly, trump could appeal. but, every judge who has sentence any of the january six demonstrators, had to make a relative determination. where is this first in relative to hire us before me? where is this person relative to the nature of the crime, was this just a demonstration, or was this essential-y and attempted coup? i'm not certain that her remarks are any different than the remarks of any other district of columbia court judge, republican or democrat, who's had to deal with these cases. >> andrews, we noted earlier the former president is in his filing only in this trial only if the trial is administered by a judge who is partial, could the -- is an explosive threat of unrest given his track record? >> well, anderson, i think at minimum it is a big ridge for the defendant who has made a career out of attacking the

i want to bring andrew mccabe in and michael moore with us. also very testy as they are questioning the attorney and very much politicizing the process of this justice proceeding when it comes to hunter biden and also former president trump. >> a lot of questions about the autonomy of special counsel daniel weiss and his investigation of hunter biden. michael, first to you, in that back and forth with some republicans, specifically i'm thinking of chip roy from texas, what did you make of the attorney general's answers? >> well, it would have been nice if he had been given the opportunity to give an answer. really all we saw was pretty much a circus. and they did not give him a chance to respond to the questions. that's the problem with this. it's not really a fact-finding, it's not an evidence-gathering exercise. it's pure campaign stump speeching from the committee room. and so that's really what happened here. i kind of applaud the attorney general for his patience and for not firing back. i'm not sure he had the temperament to do that. he

. >> here with me now the former manhattan chief assistant district attorney, mark namera, and andrew mccabe, former director of the fbi. what do you make of these charges? >> i think they had to bring this case because the statute of limitations was running, and when the deal fell apart it was either you walk away from it or you bring the case in order to preserve the status quo. i do think there'll be some significant legal hurdles they face by making the decision to bring this case, however. there's a real constitutional question about whether these charges can stick. there's at least one, potentially two appellate courts that aren't binding on delaware but that have already ruled this infringes on second amendment rights, and the supreme court has been -- has been saying some restrictions like this are potentially unconstitutional, different restrictions but restrictions on the seconds amendment nonetheless. so i think there are some legal hurdles this will face and i think some factual hurdles as well. i mean the prosecution still has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt, and tha