andrew mccarthy head of the organization here in baltimore. it is good to have you here on this program. >> thank you so much, tavis. good to see you. coming up next, correspondent for "the nation" magazine. stay with us. we are continuing our conversation about poverty in america and what can be done and what should be done to her cat best to eradicate it. , every week,ularly about poverty in america. i celebrate you because you are one of the few people who beatally covers a poverty ea in this country. you also contribute to bill hope that's billmoyers.com. give the audience some sense of how ms. -- how miniscule the coverages. i managed that one out of two americans is in or just out of poverty here in >> if that -- if fascination was illiterate or had hiv/aids, we would have to do something or we would be in trouble. we can't seem to get a conversation about poverty and media doesn't talk about it. of coverage in in mediait was 0.2% coverage. compare that to prominent news topics, politics, 16%. is this, for 4%. immigration, 1.4%. educatio

we will start that with andrew mccarthy, president and ceo of the casey foundation, dedicated to building better features for disadvantaged children. this will turn into a carcinoid greg kaufman. we are glad you have joined us. those conversations are coming up right now. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. the war on poverty, and only has it not been one, but we are losing battle after .attle game part ofick mccarthy is the charitable organization that has a leadership role in finding solutions that seems to be an intractable issue in this country. >> so happy to be with you. tavis: why -- tabby is it that we can seem to get traction on a real conversation about alleviating poverty in america? when we think about our own growing up, we have talked about opportunity in this country. if you have worked hard and stayed hard and do it you are told, you can get ahead. i think that is still a core value that we have as americans. it is very hard for americans to hear that there are many fellow citizens and their children who are in poverty. it is hard

we will start that with andrew mccarthy, president and ceo of the casey foundation, dedicated to building features for disadvantaged children. this will turn into a carcinoid greg kaufman. we are glad you have joined us. those conversations are coming up right now. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. the war on poverty, and only has it not been one, but we are losing battle after .attle game part ofick mccarthy is the charitable organization that has a leadership role in finding solutions that seems to be an intractable issue in this country. >> so happy to be with you. tavis: why -- tabby is it that we can seem to get traction on a real conversation about alleviating poverty in america? when we think about our own growing up, we have talked about opportunity in this country. if you have worked hard and stayed hard and do it you are told, you can get ahead. i think that is still a core value that we have as americans. it is very hard for americans to hear that there are many fellow citizens and their children who are in poverty. it is hard to hear

mccarthy. hello, everyone. i'm kevin frazier. >> i'm thea andrews.ss on the cover of the "elle" magazine sending the media into overdrive not because she's uncovered butze because she's too covered. what message does that send to plus-sized women, hide your bodies? this has set off a firestorm of controversy. >> people are up in arms saying, oh, how dare you. >> there's been some criticism. see if you can see why. >> take a look at the cover. >> it's almost like a slap across the face. >> supermodel and body image expert emme with us today in new york on the cover controversy. she says "elle" missed a major opportunity with melissa. check out the other alternative covers for november. reese in a tight black dress. woodley in a swimsuit and marion cotillard in a sports bra. >> it stands out amongst the 0cu rest of them that she was being covered. i wish that there was another shot on the co