i talk to the guy that created self-driving cars, andrew ming, a great luminary, ray, in the book -- >> host: a.i. being artificial intelligence. >> guest: right. and ray is an interesting example of something that took -- was able to do all of this recordkeeping on himself far earlier than the rest of because us he was really good at computer science. this is an example of michigan that -- something that was seen as a strange behavior when ray was doing it and some of these detailed personal recordkeep canning becoming now something that we can all do. i think the biggest shock i had was when i listened to gus hunt, now the former chief intelligence officer for the cia. gets on stage and talks about how scared he was of the potential government abuse of the internet. if that guy isn't the government, nobody is. really showed me that really no one is in charge of the fact that we now create information in everything we do. we can have the illusion you're in charge but that illusion is temporary. eventually that information passes to all of us. >> host: i want to end briefly talking a