oh, no, no, the judge is here and i've got the question for judge andrew napitano.d i guess, justice-- just cities out. and the answer from judge andrew napitano. >> the answer is question, not only cities. only bankruptcy can materially change pension benefits between the government and the pensioners. >> okay, so, detroit, let's focus on detroit. >> the city of detroit. >> the city of detroit, to get out of the union contracts, the health and pension benefits which they cannot pay, which they cannot afford to pay, the only way out is back-- >> we're talking about two sets of contracts here, current employees of the city who have health and benefits packages that the city can't afford. >> right. >> and we're talking about retirees who pension checks came from the state. so, the bankruptcy court can interfere with both and yes, only a bankruptcy court can interfere and yes, a state court judge cannot block a bankruptcy court from interfering because of something in the constitution called the supremacy clause. when they clash with state proceeds and the federal stat