judge andrew napolitano will be here with what it means. he's dissecting the 160-page ruliing which has a dissent. he'll be here in moments of >>> also breaking tonight, reports surfacing in just the last couple of hours that would appear to vindicate dr. ben carson, at least to some extent in the latest high-profile attack on his life story. as a growing number of major media outlets are doing some damage control in what some are already calling the 2015 version of a quote high-tech lynching. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. i attacks on dr. ben carson gan in ernest when cnn took a broadcast day to say that dr. carson made up his past, including a violent attack that became a life-changing moment. the problem, we've since learned, that a 1997 profile of dr. carson, in it, the story he told that was challenged by the cnn reporting was corroborated by his own mother in a paper. then on friday a politico headline claimed carson fabricated a story about a west point scholarship except carson did not admit any such thing.

on the laws of free expression, judge andrew napolitano is with me here. fox news senior judicial analyst. judge, as contextual point, >> at this. want -- anti-nudity, for business persons how my space felt. they want it safe for kids. where is the legal policy where you can not have somebody's photo but you can put hate speech. >> we start with the proposition laws are different in the united states and germany. there is no first amendment in germany. there is no freedom of speech. the government has power and exercises that power to ban certain forms of hateful speech, particularly hateful political speech that harkens back to the nazi and holocaust. trish: that's a great point, for people who don't know, that sign was using the exact language where jewish people were targeted. >> yes of course. in america, however, we have a first amendment which, which allows freedom of speech to its outer most limits but the first amendment only regulates the government. it does not regulate a private entity. if facebook wanted to ban certain political ideas, much les

andrew napolitano.he email dump last friday. >> why are these dumps always on friday nights? to keep people like me busy on weekend. bill: these are your people. martha. martha: ruined the judge's halloween i bet. special inspector general sounding alarm, what he calls a quote, outrageous waste of money afghanistan. why your money paid for 43 million-dollars gas station. bill: filler up. call it the miami miracle. canes fans celebrating after crazy finish. officiating crew is in a bit of trouble. we'll tell you why. did you see what happened here? whoa, baby, they will not forget about this at duke. ♪ bill: got breaking news. mentioned this hour ago. head of al qaeda talking again. intelligence reviewing a audiotape from al-zawahiri. what make this is different from others references are current time to russian intervention in syria, conflict in jerusalem jerusalem meaning it was not recorded a long time ago. pete hegseth, concerned veterans of america and fox nukes contributor. good morning a lot of re

bring in judge andrew napolitano.e with the "washington post" and syndicated columnist, charles krauthammer. >> russia and egypt pushing back most significantly about what they call the speculation in the west. but there's growing at least people talking behind the scenes, they believe it was in fact a bomb. >> the egyptians and the russians are deathly afraid of such a verdict. the egyptians for two reasons. number one, they depend hugely on tourism to get their foreign exchange, sharm el-sheikh is one of their number one tourist destinations. the only way to get there is by airplane. you shut down the airports, it dice. the second is, that the egyptian regime is in a debt struggle. with radical islam in the country and sinai, sinai is crawling with jihadists, they've attacked government forces and they've actually attacked a egyptian naval vessel with a missile. and now if they're able to bring down airplanes, it shows the prestige of the regime in sort of winning the battle against the jihadist has diminished, the

judge andrew napolitano, amy stoddard, associate editor of the hil. >> judge, thoughts? >> the law is on the president's side, but the politics are in and out, the law is a 2005 statute when the republicans controlled the congress and the white house that authorizes the president to admit for humanitarian or political asylum purposes, whatever and whenever he wants, there's no cap on it. it would be subject only to the resours, the cost of bringing them in it's that law that the congress is attempting to change and the house appears to have enough votes to override a threatened presidential veto on this. >> the senate is the issue? >> the senate is the issue because of their unique filibuster rules. but the politics is decidedly against the president, decidedly against hillary clinton on this. whether the fear is real or fanciful. i happen to think it's real. it's pervasive throughout the land. i don't see how the president can do this, even if the senate fails to pass the legislation that the house passed, he has absolutely no public opinion behind him and he and mrs. c

judge andrew napolitano.ederal agents are now on the frond lines fighting child sex crimes, tracking predators around the world. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge has more on this. so, catherine, what are we learning about this effort? reporter: newest data from homeland security investigations that more than 1000 child victims were identified and rescued in fiscal year 2015 with agents arresting nearly 3,000 child predators and the offenses ranging from possession or production of child pornography to tracking or abuse of young children. in an exclusive interview the head of investigations explained to fox news how the dark web is fueling this heinous crime. >> it's a problem getting better or is the problem getting worse? >> based on numbers we've seen the problem is getting worse because they're increasing every year. this forum that is online, that's worldwide, has is growing. people think they can hide almost in plain sight being behind a computer keyboard. reporter: "homeland" security

judge andrew napolitano on set with me right now. always good to see you.s your take on this debate? do they have a case? >> i think that they have a very strong case. the supreme court today, there are cases a lot of us like and cases a lot of us do not like. very consistent. the first amendment prohibits congress and the state. it also prohibits people from being forced to speak. if you are forced to join a union and pay dues and the union can spend money however wants, that is considered forced speech. second thing is freedom of association. you and i can associate outside the building and the government cannot stop that. the government cannot force us to associate. forcing her to join an organization she does not want to join, violating her free association. trish: a schoolteacher. working for the government. >> and she worked for fox news, fox can do it. they're not governed by the first amendment. because she works for the anaheim school system which is regulated by the state of california which is regulated by the first amendment, they cannot do that

jesse, i spoke with senior judicial analyst andrew napolitano just before the show, he said, highly unlikely they dump a number of these refugees in state like new jersey, chris christie says not happening in state, there is very little, if next to nothing he can do. >> if a governor says no, or says yes, they get there to drive across state lines going to another state. there is no way to track them. if the president cared so much about the syrian refugees, why did he stop them from being assessed by assad. now to mock americans that want to protect america? is chuck schumer is coward? to say that republican rhetoric is responsible for helping isis recruit, i mean president obama's helped isis recruit more than anybody. this guy let isis take over 1/3 of iraq. he is actually releasing recruits from gitmo back into the battlefield. this guy has seen isis manpower go from 700 soldiers in 2008, to about 30,000 right now. so i don't see president obama as the big terror warrior here. isis, they don't care what republicans say about syrian refugees. they're laughing at bernie sanders for saying,

on the other hand i had a talk with judge andrew napolitano here.e said you governors can't touch them in what they're doing there but if they sort of blend into the general population, you then are forced to take security measures of your own that cost money. maybe you have a case. are you going to pursue your case legally and how? >> i haven't made that decision yet. what we decided is this is a state, federal corporate program and we said as a state we're not going to corporate with the resettlement of syrian refugees. we haven't taken it further than that. i would hope that the administration would notice you've got 29 governors saying that now. you've got a big majority here. i would hope the administration would back off and say we'll bring refugees from other places. >> now, as you probably know, senator schumer, a democrat has just come out against the president's proposal to resettle. in favor of house speaker paul ryan's proposal, do you think there are going to be more democrats that break away from the president on this? and if so, will

fox news senior judicial analyst, judge andrew napolitano with the fabulous laugh.e is "outnumbered." you are already happy. we love it. >> happy to be in this environment, let's face it. i just met this lovely actress. i can't believe i waited until now to meet her. harris: good to have you. we'll move on to the news. we have just more than 24 hours until the next republican debate. watch only on our sister network fox business this time around. there will be eight candidates on the stage at 9:00 p.m. eastern. one of those contenders who will be there tomorrow night is dr. ben carson. today he is pushing back against mounting claims he misrepresented parts of his biography. carson slammed reports as media hit job. saying he knows the main reason behind the harsh spotlight. >> because i'm a threat. >> to? >> to those, to the progressives, the secular progressive movement in this country. i'm a very big threat because they can look at polling data and they can see that you know, i'm the candidate who is most likely able to beat hillary clinton. they see that. harris:

bring in judge andrew napolitano.rles lane with the "washington post" and syndicated columnist, charles krauthammer. >> russia and egypt pushing back most significantly about what they call the speculation in the west. but there's growing at least people talking behind the scenes, they believe it was in fact a bomb. >> the egyptians and the russians are deathly afraid of such a verdict. the egyptians for two reasons. number one, they depend hugely on tourism to get their foreign exchange, sharm el-sheikh is one of their number one tourist destinations. the only way to get there is by airplane. you shut down the airports, it dice. the second is, that the egyptian regime is in a debt struggle. with radical islam in the country and sinai, sinai is crawling with jihadists, they've attacked government forces and they've actually attacked a egyptian naval vessel with a missile. and now if they're able to bring down airplanes, it shows the prestige of the regime in sort of winning the battle against the jihadist has diminish

. >>> you know, liken our judge andrew napolitano to bring modern day columbo.and gnawing and intoing thing others people do not see. on this hillary clinton, libyan embassy, what she knew, when he knew it, he refuseed to let it go away. a series of lies that could come back to bite her? >> absolutely. we know from the most recent e-mail dump, which always seems to come out on a friday afternoon -- that not only was she informed by the cia that. ambassador stevens was killed by al qaeda. >> she knew pushing the video was wrong. >> she told her daughter in an e-mail and the then prime minister of egypt in an e-mail that al qaeda killed the ambassador. now we know that her own embassy staff, the people that work for her in tripoli, libya were saying, don't push the video. the libyans haven't seen the video. the video of may be a big deal in the media in the united states. we haven't seen it here. chris was killed by really bad guys. wasn't killed by demonstrators. the truth was. she knew her own people were rejecting the video. fastford two days now arranges cruis

judge andrew napolitano is here. we need some muscle, is a communications professor. >> and an employee of the state of missouri which is regulated by the first amendment which was guaranteed freedom of speech. stuart: and freedom of the press. judge napolitano: and oppress under supreme court interpretation is the eyes and ears of the public so the public that owns that land, the un that university, that employs that teacher, that a good case that journalist is being denied the transparency to which it is entitled, this vladimir lenin like playbook, i need some muscle in here to block the press prevailed over freedom of speech. stuart: incredible at university of the united states of america we are doing this. this is what we are teaching. judge napolitano: this is the way it would work if this were not the motion of the moment and the violence of the moment is that the border was and newspaper for which the reporter work is probably a student newspaper, could go into court before of federal judge and get an order a

. >> judge andrew napolitano is where me now. i thought we did that when we sent them to prison.ple went to prison. >> sometimes good people go to prison. sometimes people are imprisoned because they have an addiction and prison makes them worse not better. >> this is true, but some of these folks are violence criminals according to the u.s. attorney. >> they should not be released. if the president wants to accelerate the release, we're talking about people who served 75% of their term, in the federal system, if you seven 85%, they have to let you out. if the president wants to accelerate those releases and they're nonviolent, didn't harm anybody but themselves, the president is using federal sources in an appropriate way, because those jail cells should be filled by more dangerous people, not by these. >> but what assurance do we have that these are -- you picture like the college kids smoking pot and you say he got locked up for 20 years, that should be reduced. but that is not who we are talking about. some of them shot at people, arrested for assault, pleaded down. >> if vio

judge andrew napolitano will be here with what it means. he's dissecting the 160-page ruli

judge andrew napolitano with me now, judge, how bad can this be? or is this just the president saying, you know, i'm following tradition, my e-mails don't have to be published? >> i think -- well, the president will say he's following tradition and the doctrine of privilege and following freedom of information law, that's the act under which numerous plaintiffs now are suing her for her e-mails. that law and the concept of executive privilege say the following. if the president receives advice or has communications about military secrets, diplomatic secrets, or national security secrets, that information is not available to the public. it's not even available if a court subpoenas it. question how do we know if the president's e-mails to and from mrs. clinton dealt with the answer? a federal judge reviews them in the privacy of her or his chambers and decides what to release and what not to release. deirdre: okay. because you think just by procedure that it was odd for the president of the united states to send any sensitive information on a private

cell phone use it to track suspects and helped stop an additional attack in paris but judge andrew napolitano our fox news contributors says the senator is mixing apples and oranges. >> talking about a cell phone one of these monsters left at the scene. that is hard-core evidence. it is very easy lawfully for a judge to say, okay, you have the cell phone. now go inside it. that is not what the nsa does. what the nsa does and what some have said it can no longer do which i will demonstrate to you is incorrect, is gather phone calls, transcripts of phone calls, transcripts of emails, in real-time. can it do so today? yes. harris: americans said they felt snooped upon but the big issue here at home, sandra, they had so much information, look at boston bombers -- >> we know this stopped some terrorist attacks. >> it worked or can work if the intelligence agencies know how to use it and share information. let's face it, if someone is calling new york to the grandma's house and let's say, tennessee, why do they need to be on that -- harris: that is a lot of information. >> focus on phone calls from

fox news senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano joins us now.ncryption is a problem. >> yeah, the encryption is a problem for law enforcement because the bad guys have found a way to disguise their ability to communicate so that nobody can get through it. even the manufacturers like, say, apple say they can't get through it. so they're going to have to find some scientific way to get through that in order to find out what communication is being made. we don't know how these guys communicated. but we did learn a lot about them from the cell phone that was left behind. look, if you commit a crime and you leave something at the scene of the crime, that is evidence. it is fair game. the police can take it and they can exploit it by seeing where it will lead them to. >> and this cell phone, the one we'd heard reports a couple of days ago and now it's been confirmed there was this phone in the trash can outside the stadium there, and apparently there's a lot on it and apparently we're led to believe there were a bunch of phones in all kinds of communi

fox news senior judicial analyst, judge andrew napolitano with the fabulous laugh.re already happy. we love it. >> happy to be in this environment, let's face it. i just met this lovely actress. i can't believe i waited until now to meet her. harris: good to have you. we'll move on to the news. we have just more than 24 hours until the next republican debate. watch only on our sister network

judge andrew napolitano is here. night. >> i would think that neil and maria would go in on this. the difference between ted cruz and brand paul and doctor carson on one hand and all the others on the other hand the the others are basically willing to operate the government the way it has been operating. collect two and half trillion in tax dollars. spend about three and a half trillion, which means our old every year. barack obama's gaze, probably about 10 trillion by that time. ted cruz and randy paul -- brand paul believed in shrinking the government. one is as high as 15 or 16. allowing more introduction. those are social questions. they do not want to run the government by borrowing money. they are the only two that want to run the government just on tax collections. >> is that possible? >> it is not possible to run the federal government as it now stands. one would presume that if they were elected, members of congress would be elected to share their attitudes about this. many of the things that the federal gov

stuart: judge andrew napolitano. >> i would oppose a war without a declaration of war.se obama putting 50 people here in 50 people there. that would accomplish nothing. if they want a war, they should do it legally. if they don't do it legally, they should not do it at all. he was against anchor babies and illegal immigration. stuart: five seconds they will cut you off. >> i think he is brilliant. stuart: everybody, thank you. back in a moment. ♪ you can't breathed. through your nose. suddenly, you're a mouthbreather. a mouthbreather! how can anyone sleep like that? well, just put on a breathe right strip and pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right on their auto insurance. wouldn't a deal involve two parties discussing something? a little give? a little take? because last time you checked, your rate was just, whatever they say it is. why not give you some say in the matter? or -even better- let your driving do the talking. liberty mutual right

here right now to weigh in is fox news senior judicial analyst, judge andrew napolitano.we're talking about the 5 million that's estimated, young people in the country who were brought into the country by their parents who were not in the country legally. this three-panel -- three-judge panel has said, you know what, mr. president, you can't do that, you can't say don't deport them? >> here's what happened. the president announced to people in the southern hemisphere, come here and i won't deport you. i will tell you how to stay here legally and here's how to do it. he made it up. some of the things suggested are very good. get a job. register with social security, pay taxes, become a part of the community. that's not the law. if you're here illegally, you're subject to deportation. the problem with this is, it imposed a tremendous financial burden on states, particularly texas. they now had to provide financial resources, health care, school, et cetera, to people who weren't working, weren't paying taxes and weren't here legally. texas sued. 24 additional states joined t

judge andrew napolitano is here. >> what we saw in paris once we got a cell phone was that we used that cell phone number to look at cell phones it had talked to, and not only paris investigators but belgium investigators were able to expand the surf in a way that stopped an additional attack in paris and potentially led to the apprehension of a dozen if not more isis operatives in belgium, germany and parts of europe. heather: they were able to get information so quickly. is this putting americans at risk? >> senator burr is mixing apples and oranges. when he talks about the cell phone he's talking about the cell phone one of these monsters left at the scene. that's hard core evidence. it's easy for a judge to say you have the cell phone so go inside it which means go to the phone company and get record of every person that called and every call that was made from. that's what investigators will use to stop a future attack. that's not what the nsa does. what the nsa done as what some have said it can no longer do is incorrect is gather phone calls, transcripts of phone calls and emails

i always love having him on, smartest guy here at fox by far, judge andrew napolitano on this privacye that is ensuing post the french crackdown. they have a state of emergency. judge, i think what that means when president hollande issued the state of emergency is the government has full run of things, right? >> yes. it's a state of affairs that would be alien to us under the constitution here. france already has the ability to intercept any e-mail and text message and phone call without a search warrant. the government can do it on its own. that's as the result of legislation passed after the carr will hi hebdo -- "charlie hebdo" -- neil: so that was in place. didn't do much good. >> no, it didn't. as a result of the state of emergency that he declared, i think, yesterday, they can break down any door, they can aanybody, and they can hold them for 72 hours without presenting them to a judge or magistrate and without giving a reason. he has asked the parliament to authorize that state of emergency be extended for three months. neil: that's right. >> that could radically change in one

judge andrew napolitano is here.ion out of that, she is saying that she lied. hillary clinton lied here it is it justified? >> yes, it is justified. hillary clinton lied to my face. she received the bodies of ambassador stephens, sean smith and the two others. four bodies at the time. the mother was physically they are when mrs. clinton said they were killed by a spontaneous demonstration as a result of an anti-muslim video. how do we know that was a lie? that was three days after. three hours after she e-mailed her daughter chelsea and the then egyptian prime minister and said that ambassador was killed by al qaeda. we know that 24 hours after the murder that she received a cia briefing. the plot to kill that ambassador was concocted by al qaeda 12 days ago. we know that 36 hours later after the murders her senior staff received an e-mail from the triple lead embassy staff saying stop. no one in libya had seen the video. whatever it was, nothing to do with the video. nevertheless, she continued with the obama admini

all rise, judge andrew napolitano is here on this story which is getting a lot of conversation going.hey purchased the package, that they purchased a defective package, that the defective package misled them and that as a result of the misleading information on the package they became pregnant they have a case. the reason i say if, if, and if, the vast majority of these cases do not result in a judgment for the woman because of their inability to make these proofs. we are talking about something that people might not remember where it is or may not have the package any longer, the company claims only one defective package was out there. maybe one used that package, 127, these cases are not consolidated before one is tried at one time and in one place, they are all over the place. ashley: if they can meet all those requirements and make the proof, compensation for the expenses for the child all the way through education. judge napolitano: the present value and present-day dollars raising a child age 21 is $250,000 if invested and used but that is what we are talking about. we have a sh

judge andrew napolitano this is -- wait a second. this is outrageous.s unconstitutional, it is flat out wrong, and i'm sure you're opposed to it. >> it is that wicked government taking your money and giving it away to others. stuart: yes. >> that's what's wicked about it because that's not what authorized you are not the constitution. i will tell you what is authorized, when the government gives money to individuals or to the state, it often attaches strings and the supreme court has said you don't like the strings, don't accept the cash. as long as the strings, whatever they may be, will repay the federal highway in your state new jersey if you lower the speed limit. if the state doesn't want to lower the speed limit, it doesn't take the cash. we will give you a couple hundred dollars a month to buy food but block out candy and soda, don't like the strings? don't take the cash. this is interesting here because this is federal money and the state is seeking to intervene. the state has no say in this. [that's right. >> and maine is about the 8th state th

judge andrew napolitano is here who doesn't like monopolies,. >> no.atories of democracy and being able to experiment with things like the private personal use of marijuana, which we now have in oregon, district of columbia, and the state of washington, and i think maine. interesting ohio is mainstream middle america. stuart: yeah. >> if it passes there. but the thing you want to talk about mainly is the extent of government control. why wouldn't the government want competition? competition improves the product, drives the cost down. the absence of competition maintains artificially high levels and less fat cats. stuart: it was the fat cats who spent $25 million to get this deal on the ballot and these are the guys. >> who did they bribe? . stuart: they will be the farmers. these are the 10 farmers. >> right. stuart: only 10 farms allowed to grow this stuff in ohio, these 10 farmers, they're the guys who put up the money. >> this makes as much sense as the new jersey rule with respect to alcohol that prevents manufacturers selling to liquor stores, and

stuart: i'm sitting next to judge andrew napolitano. >> hey, judge.tuart: i'm sure you know him. >> he's a good friend. stuart: you're all libertarians together and he's cheering on the plan to abolish the irs, he likes it. tell us more about the flat tax. >> sure. stuart: you've got 10% across the board. what about deductions, what can i deduct? >> so for a family of four, the first $36,000 you pay no taxes whatsoever. no income taxes, no payroll tokss no nothing. above 26,000 you pay 10%, a flat tax that everybody pays, it's flat and fair, what that means if the hedge fund billionaires no long are pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries. everyone pays the same flat 10% tax. we maintain deductions for charitable gifts and home mortgage. other than that, everything else is gone and in addition to that, there is a 16% business flat tax. that applies across the board. you don't have-- right now we have giant corporations paying much, much lower tax rates than many small businesses. the business flat tax, everybody pays 16%, it's across the board, it

that take your breath away, judge andrew napolitano, a constitutional scholar. >> correct, and obviouslyone thinks of that. one would have to think what did he expect the presidency to be? the mod certain american president has so much power, so much discretion over the lives of individual americans, it would make george washington and thomas jefferson and james madison and any president pr prpre pre- woodrow wilson say is this the power. it's a democracy, he's only one of three branches of government and the more successful leaders in american history have been able to be leaders and they have people behind their ideas and work with people rather than badgering them and embarrassing them and as he said earlier today in the philippines, there are certain debates i don't want to hear. when did you hear that from an american president. stuart: it's astonishing, a constitutional scholar, that's what he was, the editor of the harvard law review. >> the editor in chief of the harvard law review. stuart: maybe he's not having a good week, i read to interview because you asked me to and we were

judge andrew napolitano joins us live. i caught a glimpse of myself without a neck tie. look -- >> it's a good look. >> -- sort of unique. >> first time i can ever remember where somebody running for president wasn't just on "saturday night live", they hosted "saturday night live." >> you know, whatever you think of his politics, whatever you think of his injection of his personality into the public discourse, he is hilarious and has a terrific sense of humor. >> yeah. >> and humor and satire are absolutely protected speech. they go all the way back to the time of the revolution when the colonists used to make fun of the king, and in order to preserve that right for future generations, the first amendment was written with broad language. congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, all kinds of speech, particularly speech about government, particularly speech about politicians, and in this case especially mocking and sardonic speech. >> back when they wrote the constitution and other things that are bedrock, there were no broadcasters. it was in the last c

>> joining us is judge andrew kna napolitano. your thoughts?ve spying -- citizens and noncitizens in all of europe and still this got through in france. i think that like the complaints i've had about the nsa, but entirely different picture over here because of our constitution. there's so much focus on gathering too much information that these guys slipped through the cracks. human intelligence, having people infiltrate the groups, having people know what's going on, on the ground is more effective. it's easier said than done. they look different, sound different. they met in belgium. we now know that all the electronic spying is not going to help this. we need old-fashioned face to face on the ground, we know what you're doing. >> combination. >> before the snowden leaks, though, and the public didn't know about the gizmos in the way that the nsa and others had to spy on people, you know, it did not stop the bali bombing, madrid or london or the boston marathon. so if the government had ever used those techniques to stop something, i'm sure w

andrew peek, thank you very much indeed. i'm going to give you 20 seconds, judge napolitano on the closing of gitmo which i'm not in favor of,day. >> the president has the authority under the constitution because he runs the jails. he can do it under the cover of darkness, but the president lacks the political will will to do it. stuart: he would do it in the last year of his office. >> when he entered office the first thing he signed was evacuation of gitmo. >> 1993 world trade center attacks pre dates the issue about gitmo so the fact that they think it's a terrorist recruiting tool, the fact does support that? >> the president in his mind it's unconstitutional and the supreme court looked at it said try it or let them go. stuart: ruin my day. square has just started trading, okay? and it is up 25%, okay? now, the offering price was $9 a share. it's now just starting to trade, $11 a share. we were expecting that it would either go down or trade around $9, which would mean that the big investment banks which have bought into it at $15 a share were going to lose a lot of money. it appears that they may be getting some of tha