let's further discuss this with andrew nicholson. he's the ceo of osprey flight solutions, an aviation security firm. andrew, appreciate your time. your firm says the plane was likely shot down by a russian military air defense system. u.s. officials say early indications are the same. walk through kind of the evidence that allowed you to get to that conclusion. >> well, i think it's been mentioned already, phil. i think the the type of damage, the fragmentation pattern on the on the fuselage of the aircraft is a is a clear indicator that that that other explanations like bird strike are just not a feasible, um, possibility. but again, as was mentioned, the airspace environment at the time with the russian air defense activity going on to intercept the drone attack that was being conducted by the ukrainians in that area, you know, increases the risk of misidentification and shootdown, as we saw in mh17. and also ukraine international airlines flight ps752 coming out of tehran in early 2020. so all of those indicators will bring us to