andrew o'brien is a u.s.army veteran, and he helps veterans with ptsd through his organization and it's called the welcoming home soldier project. and what do you think of this plea by routh? >> i completely disagree with it. i don't feel as though ptsd should be used as an insanity plea. because people with ptsd are not insane. >> >> so obviously, it's an attempt to save his life, and to stay out of jail, i guess but if more than that? when veterans watch this trial what are they going to say about this plea? >> we, i mean me myself, i completely disagree with it. i don't believe -- i've heard about the things that he said to the police, about taking souls, and about all of these things that he was saying, they had nothing to do with ptsd, and i speak around the world about this, and i've never heard anyone talk this way. i feel like he's using ptsd as a scapegoat to stay out of trouble, and that's going to frustrate veterans, because we have been trying on so hard not to intimidate the civilian world and th