but we do have to -- as andrew referenced, as we're thinking longer term about how we manage all the restrictions, to the extent we can design them in, the better off we are because as we've seen from the conversation the chair had about the difficulty of sustaining enforcement, that will always be the case, that it will always be difficult for us to sustain enforcement. but to the extent technology can help, to the extent design can help, we certainly want to avail ourselves of those options. >> have you considered double ticket fines or other ways of increasing the enforcement penalties? >> i don't know if we've looked at that or if it's something that we can get a state law changed to evaluate. but we'll take a look at that as well. >> my understanding, and i'm looking at this in a portion of my district, that is something we can do locally. again, love to hear some current thinking around it. >> sure. >> thank you. >> thank you, [speaker not understood]. okay, i believe that is the conclusion of our staff presentation. so, thank you. we'll now open it up to public comment. public

andrew jackson, you wrote about this a little bit, the -- tendency may be to say during his time the attitudes towards non-white groups, attitudes towards native americans were very different. but actually in the -- referencedver the indian removal act and have a quote. to the obligations to justice change with the color of the skin. sit one of the prerogatives of the while man may he disregard the dictates of the moral principle. s when an indian shall be concerned? no. the moral questions we think about right now and grapple with right now, they were not -- they got a hearing in the 1830s. andrew jackson heard the moral objections we expressed now and still went ahead and did this. >> that's right. and -- you know, it -- i'm certainly sympathetic to the argument that we cannot judge the historical figures by our own light. i think -- respectable historians. all would say that. however, as you mentioned in your intro, he faced tremendous, ferocious opposition during the 1830s. 85% offing with votes the party cast during the 1830s were -- cast in opposition of indian removal. there was a congressional investigation -- we can get -- go back and look at some of the activities in florida that looked at general