learn how you could pay as little as $0 at ingrezza.com howie: andrew sullivan is a journalistic pioneer is appalled by journalism. he practically created modern day blogging, has written for times, the new york times magazine, the atlantic and daily beast. i spoke earlier with sullivan who writes at substack and is the author of a new book generating a lot of buzz, out on a limb. andrew sullivan, welcome. >> thanks for having me, howie. howie: you always defined yourself as a conservative. on twitter you get questions like when did you become so far right and why have you become a white supremacist, trans phobic misogynistic ugisist, what's your response? >> what happened to you. the way liberals have become hostile to open debate and accusations that ramped up the rhetoric from simply racist or insensitive all the way now immediately to you're a white supremacist or that i'm a trans phobe when i spent my whole life fighting for gay and trans a rights, i just draw the line at saying there's no difference at all between men and women which is a fact of biology. and it's the left that see

individuals, including controversial opinion writers, the likes of alec berenson, edward snowden, andrew sullivanome cases big revenue lines, thanks to substack. how does the cofounder and ceo handle questions about content mod race and free expression? are there any lines to be drawn at all? should there be any lines to draw at all? i spoke with substack ceo and co-found ebb chris best about al -- cofounder chris best and here's part of our conversation. >> i think the model at the heart of substack, which is as a writer, i can go independent. as a reader, i choose for myself to who to trust, who to support with my money. i take back my mind from these social media feeds i have been giving my time too and instead spend it on time on something i think is valuable. it works great for media writers but it's powerful beyond that. we've seen success from comic book writers leaving their major studios to go independent on substack. seeing success in podcasting, which is a similar direct relationship with an audience. we think this model is quite transformative. >> how do you compare this to let's say

i was watching bill maher the other night and i was shocked at the conversation he and andrew sullivanre supposed to strive to live in a color blind society. no, we don't strive to live in a color blind society. we strive to live in a society that sees other people's color and their ethnicity and celebrates it. that celebrates women and women having a position and equity and equality in society. we don't want to go back to the '50s. i felt like they needed a new operating system, system upgrade like we have on our iphones. they sounded like, hey, kid, get off my lawn. i just remembered betty and wilma. they sounded like neanderthals. yes, things have changed, guys. we can't do what we used to do any more. you can't do what you used to do any more. people were able to operate a certain way and the system was working for them, that system no longer works for them because people aren't standing for it. women aren't standing for it. you cannot be a lug head, a knuckle dragger. just doesn't happen. >> if you're on a game show, you don't need that controversy. you don't need the mess when th

andrew big show. really big shoe. >> that's the old sullivan show. great job, becky, great to see you. we'll see everyone tomorrow. "squawk on the street" is up >>> good wednesday morning, welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with jim cramer, david faber at the new york stock exchange. in a few moments, s.e.c. chair gary gensler is with us to discuss everything from crypto regulation to china to spacs to gamification and payment for order flow lots to get to with the chair. in the meantime, futures steady. china weakness is again on the radar. nice upside surprise from empire today at nearly twice the estimate, david. >> carl, yeah, we do have a special show for our viewers today as we will devote our first half hour with s.e.c. chair gary gensler this follows his testimony before the senate banking committee yesterday. we have so many important issues to cover with the s.e.c. chair we're going to hope to move through sort of some of the following regulatory topics, crypto, robinhood, specifically, payment for order flow, the spac market china, of course concerns the

andrew big show. really big shoe. >> that's the old sullivan show. great job, becky, great to see you.carl quintanilla with jim cramer, david faber at the new york stock exchange. in a few moments, s.e.c. chair gary gensler is with us to discuss everything from crypto regulation to china to spacs to gamification and payment for order flow lots to get to with the chair. in the meantime, futures steady. china weakness is again on the radar. nice upside surprise from empire today at nearly twice the estimate, david. >> carl, yeah,