. >> danny, andrew weissman said that he thought the president made a mistake yesterday by saying he can't -- he doesn't remember -- he can't recall that phone call because he says now the president can't rebut what sondland says about what the call was about. >> yeah. this -- the reason this phone call, you've keyed right in on why this phone call is so important because prior to yesterday, president trump's defense was developing as two prong. prong number one is i don't know any of those other people. i don't know what they were doing. i know nothing about it. and then prong two is, well, the one thing i did admit to, the four corners of that memorandum, that is perfectly okay. the phone call creates a problem because it creates a nexus between president trump and gordon sondland, who was boots on the ground involved in whatever this ukraine campaign was, at least allegedly. >> and, danny, if you were -- at this point, you would tell gordon sondland throw yourself on the mercy of the impeachment

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. >> joining us onset now, andrew weissman former senior doj official, former chief of the fraud section in the department of justice, law professor now at nyu. we were talking before we came back about what she represents in this story, the public storytelling only going on for two days this week. she is, as congressman swalwell described her, the anti corruption crusader in this story. >> there was a wonderful vignette about the moment she's told you need to come back today, she was in the middle of giving an award to someone for actually being a crusader. what it does is it raises the issue that you're going to hear a lot from the republican side which is the president has the absolute power to remove her. that's not the issue. the issue is why, why was she removed? the argument is going to be she was standing in the way of an anti corruption effort. she is exhibit a to that not being true. she was incredibly compelling on the fact that she was carrying out american policy that was anti corruption. >> to make this more specific and more granular, donald trump's own friends describe hi

told on msnbc mueller deputy andrew weissman who really ran the investigation pulled offxp the mask andealed he is a full blown nut case. watch him explain that donald trump and vladimir putin are really on the same team. >> why was the president and ambassador sondland worried about the fact that theisis russians would undoubtedly in ukraine be able to hear this conversation? >> what is the scenario, why wouldn't they be? >> the issue would be because point if you are sitting there thinking i don't really care because the russians are going to be siding with me in the 2020 election, then you are all on the same team. >> tucker: remember, this guy ran the mueller investigation. he thinks roger stone deserves to die in prison tfor lying about irrelevant text messages. and, yet, like so many people in power in washington, he is a total -- you you would not have dinnerer with him on a dare. he is just thought a hack. is he delusional. and that should really scare you. so the nfl player who ripped off his opponent's helmet and then attacked him with it is now trying to explain that he did i

in the words of andrew weissman, it's about cheating. it's about getting dirt on a domestic political rival from a foreign country. and he didn't just ask for the favor. he held up military assistance and you know better than me in this part of the world, that could be the matter of life and death for a company -- for a country on russia's border. in that plot, he implicated the president of the united states, saying he directed it. rudy giuliani, who was one of his operators. the secretary of state and said the vice president had knowledge. what -- what's the impact of testimony like that? >> obviously, it's a big day and it's a big day because gordon sondland had not testified to a lot of this in his prior close-door deposition. he came forward and basically offered a new version of events only after other witnesses had basically offered theirs, conflicting with his account. and he felt that there was no choice at this point but to, you know, offer this fuller version. now, he'll say his recollection was -- was refreshed, if you will.