. >> andrew weizmann, and to everyone. please feel free to comment on each other's answers if you are so inspired. don't be limited to what i'm framing here. andrew weizmann, what is your reaction to what we just heard donald trump's criminal defense lawyer say? including that point, about he suspects there could be maybe some other indictment? but they don't know about anyone else indicted? >> sure, so clearly that was speculating that either mister -- or possibly even mr. meadows is cooperating. i took it more as focused on --, but just to be clear if you have the department of justice in your calling someone to say your client has been charged. you do not tell them about another defendant. so it would be normal if there were two defendants that she would not tell them each that the lawyers can obviously talk to each other. so that did not seem unusual if mr. is just a codefendants. but it is possible, as the case gets to the very end. somebody who is thinking that they're not going to cooperate? there is nothing that fo

. >> andrew weizmann, and to everyone. please feel free to comment on each other's answers if you are so inspired. don't be limited to what i'm framing here. andrew weizmann, what is your reaction to what we just heard donald trump's criminal defense lawyer say? including that point, about he suspects there could be maybe some other indictment? but they don't know about anyone else indicted? >> sure, so clearly that was speculating that either mister -- or possibly even mr. meadows is cooperating. i took it more as focused on --, but just to be clear if you have the department of justice in your calling someone to say your client has been charged. you do not tell them about another defendant. so it would be normal if there were two defendants that she would not tell them each that the lawyers can obviously talk to each other. so that did not seem unusual if mr. is just a codefendants. but it is possible, as the case gets to the very end. somebody who is thinking that they're not going to cooperate? there is nothing that fo

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picking a judge that is going to be fair and have the appearance of fairness. >> joyce vance, andrew weizmann, thank you both so much for getting us started. you can listen to andrews msnbc podcast prosecuting donald trump by scanning the q r code on your screen or finding it wherever you get your podcasts. next hour, jen psaki leads live special coverage of the indictment of donald trump. that began seven pm eastern right here on msnbc. still to come on american voices house republicans fall in line with the former president. we are going to ask congressman raja krishnamoorthi. plus what trump says the indictment is doing for the poll numbers and what it tells us about the primary season ahead. later if you are going, if you are just getting caught up on the wild three days a news we have some evidence. first richard louis with the other big stories this hour -- >> very good afternoon to you alicia. a portion of interstate 95 collapsing today near philadelphia after a tanker truck caught fire beneath that highway. officials want people to avoid the area now. a short time ago officials saying

i am once again joined here by michael leagues choi read, andrew weizmann, are in alberta and i wanto welcome to the desk stephanie role, who was the 11th hour. hey staff. >> hi. >> so trump, when the alvin bragg indictment was looming, he had sort of sent out the clarion call for his supporters to come to new york en masse, and do whatever trump supporters do which is sometimes violence, oftentimes loud. what is your expectation in all of this? given a clear cut this indictment is, given the gravity of the information we are talking about being compromised? is this a signal moment for trump supporters? should we be focused on that? >> listen, trump's hard-core base is going to be his hard-core base for the foreseeable future. what i'm looking at our, we are the big, big donors going to go? at the end of the day, the big donors basically hold their pants, and hold their checkbook's, and really try to figure out, we don't care about the incidents and politics. they want to know who is going to be in that white house, who is going to take my call and get what i needed on, and he was go

and andrew weizmann is gonna be the first guest in the studio. he's actually on his way at the moment. so, we have to do that business. that gives you enough time to make it all the way over to this studio, which is -- it's like a conan toss, in a way. it's not a baseball. it's like a coin toss. >> i have time for one cocktail to be right back. >> but rachel, i have a couple of news things about what's gonna happen tomorrow. number one, you would really like this, donald trump rehearsed his plea on a boston radio show tonight. and we are gonna bring you that, what he is gonna say, when he is asked how he pleads. but there is this from the magistrate who's handling up tomorrow, who was the one who issued the first warrant in the first place, judge cannon doesn't come into it yet. and he is basically saying that he's just gonna live by the local rules of how what -- contains the media in these situations. he doesn't feel he is in a position to change that tomorrow. so what that means is he is gonna follow the local rule there in the federal court i

according to the washington post reporting about people like myself, we're writing about it, andrew weizmann summer with his serious. it was precisely because not everyone agreed, there's not some single playbook out there. let me just level something here. it's easy to forget, a few days before january 6th trump got caught on tape with the secretary of state of georgia trying to persuade him, to find the extra votes and so on. now that is at a bare minimum evidence of potential election fraud at a federal level. so from my perspective, and i wrote a piece on this, actually came out on january 6th -- that should've prompted a criminal investigation by itself. they should've been a criminal investigation shortly after biden took after or after garland took office. we can craft all the apologetic's, talk about the playbooks that we disagree about what we are where we are now and i think it's fairly plain as a result of the post reporting that this was not necessary. >> we're almost out of time harry -- >> factually wrong, that is the playbook, what andrew said in the new york times was they sh

and andrew weizmann, former fbi general counsel, former chief to the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. also professor practice at nyu law school. and msnbc legal analyst. professor weisman, at what point in your course in the practice of criminal law, do you cover proffer agreements? >> so, let me give you a primer on proffer agreements. so, a proffer agreement is given out routinely by prosecutors, when someone comes in to give information. not all the time, but it's not the same thing as having a cooperation agreement. there are many people who come in and so-called proffer, and never reach a cooperation agreement. it's not a precursor, necessarily, to a cooperation agreement. i somewhat think that the times reporting is, it may be right that this is a precursor, but it's not like one's done, always before the other. so, as night follows the day. what is a proffer agreement? i'm gonna pretend like you are the person who comes in, and this is what i would say to you, lawrence. i want to make sure that you understand what you are being given, and what you are not

. >> let me get you in on another state, another possibility that could pop up, as you know, andrew weizmannyan goodman wrote an article in the atlantic, where they posits the possibility that special counsel jack smith might bring charges in new jersey against donald trump, following the revelations in that florida indictment, that he showed to unauthorized people those classified documents in bedminster. is that really a possibility? is that a plan b, or will that be in addition to, do you think? >> the constitution says that the trial of a criminal or a criminal defendant shall take place in the district where the crime was committed. so, the current indictment alleges trump retained all of these documents, and after being asked for them by law enforcement, here unlawfully retained them, and he obstructed justice into that investigation. much of that occurred in florida, which is why the indictment happened there. but the indictment does mention two other incidents where trump didn't just retain the information, but he gave classified information to people who are not entitled to receive

. >> good evening avalanche, and could you tell andrew weizmann the way down the hall. >> he's running down the right now! >> we're gonna need him here. we're gonna continue the coverage, alex, thank you very much. >> have a great show! >> thank you. well at this hour, tonight right, now, 27 hours after donald trump was told that he had just become the first former president in history charged with federal crimes, including violations of the espionage act, the trump criminal defense team is in chaos. the trump criminal defense lawyer who call donald trump at seven pm last night to tell him that he was indicted by prosecutors in the executive branch of the government that he once controlled, resigned or was fired this morning along with another criminal defense lawyer that also resigned or was fired this morning. last night, after the indictment was announced, the league criminal defense lawyer in the case of the u.s. versus donald j trump said this -- >> even if he talks about the documents or the existence of them, that is light years away from the specific intent that they need for a

andrew weizmann, we have more to discuss on later segments about defendant trump. coming up, new reporting saying it's gotten so bad for donald trump's criminal defense lawyers that some of them agreed to what they called a murder suicide pact. andrew weissmann and neal katyal will join us next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ rsv is a contagious virus that usually causes mild symptoms, but can cause more severe infections that may lead to hospitalizations, in adults 60 and older - and adults with certain underlying conditions, like copd, asthma, or congestive heart failure. talk to your doctor and visit cutshortrsv.com. ♪ i have type 2 diabetes, ♪ ♪ but i manage it well. ♪ ♪ it's a little pill with a big story to tell. ♪ ♪ i take once-daily jardiance, ♪ ♪ at each day's staaart. ♪ ♪ as time went on it was easy to seee ♪ ♪ i'm lowering my a1c. ♪ jardiance works 24/7 in your body to flush out some sugar! and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. jardiance may cause serious side effects including ketoacidosis tha

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i am once again joined here by michael leagues choi read, andrew weizmann, are in alberta and i want the desk stephanie role, who was the 11th hour. hey staff. >> hi. >> so trump, when the alvin bragg indictment was looming, he had sort of sent out the clarion call for his supporters to come to new york en masse, and do whatever trump supporters do which is sometimes violence, oftentimes loud. what is your expectation in all of this? given a clear cut this indictment is, given the gravity of the information we are talking about being compromised? is this a signal moment for trump supporters? should we be focused on that? >> listen, trump's hard-core base is going to be his hard-core base for the foreseeable future. what i'm looking at our, we are the big, big donors going to go? at the end of the day, the big donors basically hold their pants, and hold their checkbook's, and really try to figure out, we don't care about the incidents and politics. they want to know who is going to be in that white house, who is going to take my call and get what i needed on, and he was going to keep

andrew weizmann, we have more to discuss on later segments about defendant trump. coming up, new reporting saying it's gotten so bad for donald trump's criminal defense lawyers that some of them agreed to what they called a murder suicide pact. andrew weissmann and neal katyal will join us next. ♪ ♪ ♪ need relief for tired, achy feet? or the energy to keep working? there's a dr. scholl's for that. dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles have patented gel waves that absorb shock to hard-working muscles and joints, for all-day energy. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease. now, there's skyrizi. or pharmacist ♪ things are looking up ♪ ♪ i've got symptom relief ♪ ♪ cont

. >> harry i have less than a minute left, i want to pick up on something that andrew weizmann said toide they have no option but to remove canada as a detriment. one of the standards he offered, was the possibility that she sets the date for the trial, so out in the future that it is absurd. your sense of what would be a fair date and what would not. >> not just fair but exit in for this trial to be completed before the election so that people can understand if they want to vote for trump what a jury has found him capable of. and yes, she's risky especially combined with trump's strategy of delay. she can indulge it so easily and put us past the election. they could well make the motion, which is precarious as andres said. but it doesn't mean that it will or won't succeed. it is a tough standard in the 11th circuit. >> harry lippman, as always, thank you. and at the time jen psaki kicks off a special live coverage of the indictment of donald trump seven pm eastern right here on msnbc. before we get another quick break, remember, it's broadway's big break. the 20, word different than w

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jen psaki, melissa murray, andrew weizmann, thank you all for joining. cinematic scramble as we do this breaking news. thank you so much. all right, harry lippman, harry, where are you. former deputy assistant. >> i'm here. >> now legal affairs columnist for the los angeles times. hugo lowell's, for the guardian, covering trump's legal woes and breaking a bunch of news, and josh marshall founder and editor editor in chief of talking points memo. and josh, let me go to you, to continue on this. one thing we haven't gotten is, we've talked a little bit about political ramifications, a little about the primary, but one thing i want to ask you about is, we call them here on the program the basement -- , the republicans like matt gaetz and cohort who sort of were around benghazi and had been this voice of investigating the investigators. they have already gone after alvin bragg on the most tenuous possible oversight. do you have any interface with the federal government. in this case is the department of justice. they have already asked for memos from -- what

i am once again joined here by michael leagues choi read, andrew weizmann, are in alberta and i wantle, who was the 11th hour. hey staff. >> hi. >> so trump, when the alvin bragg indictment was looming, he had sort of sent out the clarion call for his supporters to come to new york en masse, and do whatever trump supporters do which is sometimes violence, oftentimes loud. what is your expectation in all of this? given a clear cut this indictment is, given the gravity of the information we are talking about being compromised? is this a signal moment for trump supporters? should we be focused on that? >> listen, trump's hard-core base is going to be his hard-core base for the foreseeable future. what i'm looking at our, we are the big, big donors going to go? at the end of the day, the big donors basically hold their pants, and hold their checkbook's, and really try to figure out, we don't care about the incidents and politics. they want to know who is going to be in that white house, who is going to take my call and get what i needed on, and he was going to keep my taxes low. so they

donald trump, there you go, there is a q r code, the podcast inevitable, msnbc legal analyst, andrew weizmannomorrow, another new full episode will drop. a full rating of the indictment. by me. you can catch us all back here, starting tomorrow at 8 am with katie phang, for our continued coverage of the indictment of donald trump. have yourself a great night. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on... ♪ [coughing] ♪ ...by, you know how i feel. ♪ if you're tired of staring down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, ♪ ♪ it's a new day... ♪ ...stop settling. ♪ ...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours, improves lung function, and helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increa