joining us now is andrew wiseman. what is your reading, what is interesting to you? >> first i've been totally exonerated, that rang a bell because unlike the eight pages that we have with 400 pages where donald trump said he was totally exonerated, which he wasn't, here he says so because it's eight very, very redacted pages. just to highlight something you probably alluded to but just to point out something sort of interesting to me you had unanimity on this issue of, you know, was there widespread fraud in the election and interesting that was unanimous. but the issue of whether people -- anybody had committed perjury was just by a majority, and that tells me there's going to be sort of critical thinkers. this wasn't just a block of people who were saying all the same thing. so that was like one small piece of tea leaf reading. >> and in the summary we got they said they're going to find in a full report who voted yes and no on certain things. >> yes, which is fascinating as a sort of former trial lawyer the idea a jury is going to give you their break down in a c

joining us now is a former senior member of special counsel mueller's team the great andrew wiseman.e show is the perfect time for you to be on the show, but i triple mean it tonight. first of all, espionage, they're releasing him on a $500,000 bond which suggests espionage may not be in the mix here. how do you read the situation as the president stands? >> i think if i were in the fbi they'd have to worry about is this a corruption case or a counter intelligence case and get to the bottom of it. they'd have to be scouring every single thing he touched at the fbi to figure out what's going on. it's important to note he didn't just leave the fbi and work for oleg deripaska, which as you said the judgment call there and how you would go from sort of essentially team america to team russia that quickly. the reason he's charged with a criminal case is that that alone is not enough. is that he disguised his work in a way it wouldn't be clear he was violating u.s. sanctions, so there were all sorts of ways they had companies and they sort of used the money in different ways so he got paid

we just don't know. >> andrew wiseman, let me bring you in on this.n we don't know if people who the special grand jury believes lied to it are on this list, but this is a list of some of the top names who were subpoenaed by the fulton county special grand jury. lindsey graham, rudy giuliani, mark meadows, cassidy hutchinson, jody heist, brad raffensperger, pat cipollone, governor kemp -- i'm not good at percentages but i think you can put it at about 75% of people who have lied and lied in public and brazenly. so really it could be anyone's guess who might have lied to a special grand jury. what do you make of that development and what we'll know about it tomorrow? >> a few things. one, i think if you put it together with your coverage in the past hour about what jack smith is looking at with respect to mr. corcoran, you really have what is a little window into what it's like to bring a public corruption case, meaning you deal with lying eyewitnesses every day. you see that jack smith is contending with that and trying to figure out who was to blame

andrew wiseman, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> mike pence has a subpoena, mark meadows has a subpoena. to some degree that makes a lot of sense. what does that tell you about the special counsel investigation. >> remember when john smith was appointed asked everyone was concerned about how this was going to slow things down, and i love patsing myself on the back because i know jack smith and i was like quite the opposite. just like robert mueller he's really steeped in this idea he has an obligation to go as fast as possible and responsibly, and i think that's what we're seeing. mark meadows makes total sense you're going to put in the grand jury for all the reasons you said. this is a key player and key witness. he now has four things he can do. he can assert the same sort of executive privilege. i think that's going to get nowhere very fast. >> which he's trying to do before. >> he has done that before and been all signs both the district court and d.c. circuit may have already ruled on that issue, so that's really not going to be a winner. he can assert the fifth amendment

andrew wiseman was lead prosecutor for bob mueller. he actually called the decision courageous.he district attorney's association of new york has a harsh response to your book, mark. they say that a former prosecutor speaking out during an on going criminal investigation is unfortunate and unprecedented. they say you upended the norms of prosecutoral conduct. are you sure, right, there was a fight over this, whether you should be even oit there saying these things given the on going investigation. are you sure this won't at all interfere with the on going investigation and grand jury right now? >> look, i wrote the book in part because i believe there should be a prosecution. donald trump did commit crimes for which he should be held accountable. the last thing i wanted to do or would do was get in the way of an investigation or a prosecution. and i'm confident i didn't do that. the investigation, the prosecution if it comes will be decided based on the law and the facts and nothing i wrote in this book changes either the law or the facts that will be available to the prosecutio

. >> andrew wiseman, i want your thoughts and all of it but let me start with the narrow one and broughtout. mark meadows and her words did not say much, is it a reasonable hunch to say that he is not a cooperating witness in the probe? >> yes, that is a very reasonable hunch that he asserted the fifth, attorney- client privilege, which by the way, went out of the way, with respect to rudy giuliani, it is his right, not very good at understanding the understanding of what legal privileges and understanding stating it or versus intentionally lying but your question, and mark meadows, somebody who jack smith, and fanny willis are very much focused on, and if i were them, i would be lining up a federal and state indictment if you can prove it, to put pressure on him to try to cooperate. >> what you make of what we understand now? i thought of james comey when i heard her talk about other tapes, i never had heard of anybody recording each other, clearly a lot of people recorded donald trump, and potentially that is what one does when there are questions of criminality by him all the time swi

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