>> the conversation was entirely andy coulson. >> did you have any knowledge as to whether not andy coulsonn't. >> do you think he did. [inaudible] >> did you say to andy coulson that he thought that was something he might succeed him, or did you say speed i didn't express any opinion at all. >> right. [inaudible] >> but you did, you did, that you mentioned it to clive goodman, saying you were aware that andy coulson had that view, that leads suggestion you thought it was not impossible to? >> no, i said it was possible. >> so you said the company might take you back? >> once he serves his sentence. or pay whatever penalties or fines. >> but did you tell the editor that hard goodman was guilty? >> i'm not sure i came away from the first leg of being knowing any decision as whether you be guilty be guilty or not. and the second legal meeting, yes, which was quite some time afterwards. yes, i think india that he was going to plead guilty. and it would've been after that meeting i think i would have relayed that. >> what about, when did you think he was guilty? >> probably the second he said i

. >> i'm southern andy coulson. i'm fairly sure of les hinton. i can't be fairly certain. >> thank you. mr. myler, you said not too long ago, i think if i heard correctly that you disputed what mr. cloke said in the previous session when he said that the payments that were made to clive goodman subsequent to his guilty plea sentences dismissal, he made it clear that you would have, you were aware of those payments that were made. you may not have authorized them but you were aware they had been made. >> i was not aware of any financial settlement that was made between the company and mr. goodman. at any sage. -- stage. >> you weren't aware eight payments were made not the figure? you're saying quite categorically you were not aware any payment whatsoever had been made? >> i wasn't aware of any payment. nor was i involved if any negotiation, conversation, or meeting. and let me, point out if i may, mr. chairman and mr. davies, that, as an editor, as i said before, i find quite extraordinary that i did what i did beca

and this was entirely andy coulson feeling sorry for him? did you have any knowledge as to whether or not andy -- >> no, i did not. >> and did you say to andy coulson that that was something you thought he could succeed in? you did -- the fact that you mentioned it to clive goodman, that at least suggests that you thought it was not impossible. you thought the company might relent and take him back? >> to tell the editor that clive goodman was guilty? >> i am not sure i came away with any decision. sometime afterwards. yes, i think i knew that he was going to plead guilty. >> when did you think he was guilty? >> probably when he said he was going to plead guilty. >> when was that? >> it was before he pleaded guilty before the hearing. >> this is an offer, was not to >> yes. >> to accept the offer. he pays this, even if he wins. is that right? to refuse this type of offer means taking the risk of paying possibly hundreds of thousands of pounds and costs, even if you win the case? >> you take the risk of paying the cost. >> james murdoch. when