a friend and confidante of prime ministers, she appeared at the hearing with her colleague andy coulson, editor of news of the world. >> bergman: what was the run-up to that? why were they appearing before you? >> we were doing a report on privacy and media intrusion. the issue of how you set about getting information is also of course a matter of importance. it was just a hunch. you know, sometimes you just have a hunch in politics. do either of your newspapers ever use private detectives, ever bug or pay the police? >> we have paid the police for information in the past and it's been... >> andy coulson, who was sitting beside her, tried to say, "but only within the law," and i pointed out, "but it's a criminal offense." it's corrupting a police officer, suborning a police officer. >> the same holds for private detectives, for subterfuge, for video... whatever you want to talk about. it's illegal for police officers to receive payments. >> no, no, no, we don't-- as i said, within the law. >> and then the chairman decided to close the meeting, for some bizarre reason. i would have much

. >> andy coulson the interchange like football announcers. >> i think the legal term not good appliese. as you suggested the allegation here arrest on that suspicion of perversion of justice, still to this day has not been formally criminally charged. it suggests she interfered with this investigation. in fact, there have been allegations as you may know that hundreds of thousands of emails that might pertain to this investigation have been destroyed. attempts to revive those have come up with allegations. this was developed by the scotland yard's investigators themselves. >> even the police began to sit up and take notice. rebekah brooks arrested for a second time, the prime minister and the horse involved, as well. is it no longer a stretch to say we might see a james murdoch or rupert murdoch perp walk? >> members of parliament have been openly skeptical even disdainful. he's had to go fort and acknowledge substantive evidence proved things he said were wrong. his subordinates said they showed him things several years ago that he has sworn he did not know of. >> the horse will alwa

and it looked as a while andy coulson, the former editor of "news of the world" would be firewell -- >> all are gone. >> and closer and closer to rupert murdoch, and i think the hope now that this can be contained in the u.s. but this week's revelations about industrial scale corrupt payments, as john says, do heighten the risk of a prosecution in the u.s. under the foreign corrupt practices act. but at the moment, i think that is hard to call. will we see a campaigning prosecutor decide to pursue that? will we see great political will to go after very important media titles, channels like fox news and-- especially on the side of election, will we see political momentum there? i think what is happening the d.o.j., s.e.c, and f.b.i., who all have open investigations into news corp, are waiting to see what comes out of the primary investigation in london before they really decide how hard to pursue that. >> rose: do we know judge joel klein is, the former assistant attorney general in the clinton administration, or do we know what role he is playing after being chancellor of schools in