we are hearing from inside the camp of one of the defendants, andy coulson that they expect if they dolty verdict, that they're looking at at least six years in jail, so, you know, this has some serious consequences, not only for the jail time they may face, but the revelations that may come out and however this may go up the food chain within news corporation and whether or not this will actually touch upon rupert murdoch himself. >> like the n.s.a. spying scandal here, this particular scandal in london has had some pretty big names attached to it. >> oh, yeah, absolutely, not the least of which rupert murdoch. james murdoch was actually here during this period, rupert murdoch's son was very much involved in the news of the world, so this could go much larger than just the eight defendants who are here today. dell. >> phil ittner joining us live from london, thank you very much. >> some are saying here we go again, flips slowing the federal health care website to a crawl, but this morning, a new glitch shutting it down fleet for a while. the problem is called the data hub problem. it