tony: andy herzfeld, who was one of the founders of general magic, he had a birthday party.teve happened to be there and we talked for a few minutes. that was the first time i ever met him. but then the next time i met him was to give the pitch for the ipod. what would become the ipod. emily: you gave the pitch for the original ipod? tony: there was a whole team of us, but i was leading the charge in talking about what it was. it was literally a layout of what digital music could be, what the challenges were. there were three different concepts. and the one we always saved for the end was the one we thought was the best. it was the most expensive, the riskiest one, and steve was very engaged and very much driving. we had a presentation, you, a -- you know, a deck. but he flips through the deck, and he just jumps around. there was no linear format. you just braced yourself for impact. he would throw questions out, throw out conjectures, and you just sat there and rolled with it. rolled with the tide. emily: where did it end? tony: it ended at literally -- we are going to do t