fbi agent andy mccabe.j has been very resistant in providing the documents that would let us know how and why this started. what it looks like the official start of the investigation, july 31st was not really the start. brian: we're going to get a lot more information. the ig report. the draft of which was given to the department of justice and fbi in mid may. and we're supposed to get it yesterday. here michael horowitz, who authored it, took a year to investigate. yesterday now that's a delayed first to the 11th. two weeks from now. steve: april 18th and 19th. brian: justifiable, including the president somebody is watering down and redacting again which means we will not get to the bottom of it i wish robert mueller was more curious about what peter strzok was doing, and lisa page and mccabe as well as james comey as is he about the trump tower meeting reportedly. i think it all face together. especially, steve, as you mentioned. peter strzok headed up both the email investigation as well as the -- as we

, but i think i recall some of my democrat colleagues falling over themselves, offered a job to andy mccabe when he was let go for making false statements and for a lack of candor, but those same colleagues apparently weren't hiring. they didn't have any openings when others in a related investigation called russia were charged with the same offense. there were fbi agents and attorneys who decided to prejudge the outcome of the hillary clinton case before the investigation ended. i want you to let that sink in for a second. they prejudged the outcome of the hillary clinton investigation before the investigation ended, and these exact same fbi agents and attorneys prejudged the outcome of the russia investigation before it even began! if prejudging the outcome of an investigation before it ends and prejudging the outcome of an investigation before it begins is not evidence of outcome determinative of bias, for the life of me, i don't know what would be. that is textbook bias. it is quite literally the definition of bias. allowing something other than the facts to determine your decision. the

andy mccabe. it would be deputy director andrew mccabe. the most important question was the one that senator graham asked. it was andrew mccabe in that meeting with peter strzok and lisa page? and we need to know that from strzok and page. those two need to be interviewed. and then andrew mccabe needs to be interviewed again. these are that's the case, if he was in that meeting, this is the most frightening, frightening example of fbi power since j. edgar hoover. americans should be terrified of it. they were rigging an election. >> sean: and that's the whole point here. that's why it's the biggest abuse of power, option scandal ever. the similarities in terms of the mueller investigation and the hillary rigged investigation are eerie in this way, gregg jarrett. in as much as you have all of these same people that have been exposed here, and then you look at jeannie ray and andrew weissmann and all the democratic donors. it is the same corruption that will only be exposed down the line, although we've known for a long time, in robert mille

let go, fired, discharged, do you think there is enough in here for him to meet the same fate as andy mccabe? >> i spent some really ugly days in my career running internal investigations and inspections and i've got to tell you i think we have at a minimum a demotion from the senior executive service and at a maximum a loss of effectiveness where he might have to, he might have to be dismissed. >> i want to say to you, joyce, we're spending time talking about these agents because it is already the piece of the story and i agree with rick steng l's analysis these are minor characters and what was a very broad inspector general investigation into the entire bureau's conduct during the hillary clinton e-mail scandal. but there is a fuller picture to be painted before this first draft is sort of set in stone. and it includes this. "the new york times" reported peter strzok's role in the counter intelligence investigation and wrote, fearful of leaks, the agents kept details from political appointees across the street at the justice department. peter strzok, a senior fbi algt, explained in a text

andy mccabe, deputy director, fired, lied three times under oath according to inspector general horowitz and face as criminal referral. jim baker, chief counsel demoted. lisa paige, demoted. peter struck, deputy head of counterintelligence, demoted and reassigned. when have you seen that? i've never seen that in the federal agency. don't worry, we can investigate ourselves and give you a briefing and you can trust us. really? this is why there needs to be a second special council. counsel, -- special special counsel's, but this is why we called for it last summer and still calling for it. mr. zelleden is working hard with his conclusion we introduced two weeks ago and why we need a second special counsel to get to the bottom of this. christina: obviously the administration is frustrated with leaks and they've seized a reporter's telephone information to look through that data. is that something you feel is appropriate? representative jordan: i'm actually working with congressman raskin for a shield offer for you guys in the press on sources and all. i think we've already introduced legis

was andy mccabe behaving appropriately when he lied three times under oath. and when they took the dossier to the court and didn't tell the court who paid for it. judge jeanine: when are you going to do something? what we need is mcconnell and paul ryan to get their big boy pants on and do something. the american public is being torn apart over this unrelenting investigation that just won't end. the fbi and the doj are stalling, they are redacting. they are not come lying about subpoenas. they are a bunch of fosters trying to make you look like fools and trying to make this 2018 election get past them so they can say the president is corrupt. >> one, rosenstein should be recused from this. he wrote the memo saying to fire comey. judge jeanine: i know the intellectual arguments. my viewers want to know, what is the next step. what are you going to do? does the president need to desify? >> yes, he need to do that. but we are going to start deposing witnesses this month. we are going to depose other people at the fbi. we need a deposition of peter strzok and lis

neutrally look into the russia investigation and he was talking about an insurance policy with andy mccabe and lisa page in the event donald trump became the president. all of this came at the same time that strzok said he could smell the trump support in southern virginia. all of this was at the same time that this fbi agent said it would be fing terrifying. and that it would never happen. no, no, we'll stop it. so while investigating russia ourtheir attempt to subvert democracy, we go to 2017 where we find peter strzok again, this same supposed to be dispassionate neutral fair fbi agent, you would think he'd be really excited about investigating what a foreign power tried to do to this country, but you would be wrong again for peter strzok and precisely the same time that bob mueller was appointed, precisely the same time peter strzok was talking about his unfinished business and how he needed to fix and finish it so donald trump did not become president. he was talking about impeachment within three days of special counsel mueller being appointed. three days. that's even quicker than ms

andy mccabe. deputy director andrew mccabe. and the most important question was what senator graham asked. was mckaib in that meeting. strzok and page need to be intruped and andrew mccabe needs to be interviewed again. if he was in that meeting, this is the most frightening example of f.b.i. power since edgar hoover and americans should be terrified because they were rigging an election. >> sean: that's why it is the biggest abuse ever. and the similarities in terms of mueller investigation and hillary rigged investigation are eerie greg jarret. you have all of the same people that have been exposed here and jenny wray and andrew wiseman. and it is the same corruption that will be exposed down the line in robert mueller's witch hunt, it is no different. >> it sort of makes you wonder if the only people who work in the f.b.i. peter strzok and lisa page and andrew mccabe. and james comey. and yet, why did they do that? they wanted to control it and it was controlled by the obama white house. that is clear. and mueller assembled

it looks like they fired andy mccabe because of russia. he attacks the fbi constantly because of russia. all roads lead to russia with this guy. it's the rosetta stone of this presidency. that's what he's fixated on. >> is it not wise legally? >> it's legally not wise. we're not going to end up in criminal court. donald trump's credibility would be shot by these inconsistent statements. what we have here is them, meaning trump and his lawyer, not bracing for criminal court, but this campaign is designed to undermine in the public's view this whole investigation. they're hoping this muddies the waters and everyone thinks it's unfair. so the trump base will put pressure on the republicans in congress not to impeach him. not legal, it's political. >> jason do you see a contradiction as to what the president tweeted and what he said to the russians in the oval office and lester holt? >> i don't think so. the president said this a number times before about why he fired james comey. in my opinion the only thing the president did wrong is not fir

. >> in the meantime, laura, andy mccabe was fired in march for being dishonest about his contacts with the media. what does the report say about him. >> despite being attacked relentlessly over his donations to his wife's political campaign inspector germ actually concluded that mccabe that h no obligation to recuse from the clinton investigation. the report open many, many questions of those saying that is still the subject of an ongoing investigation. and they are separately reviewing the unfounded theory that there was a spy on his campaign. >> theres so much t dissect. we will get to tt in the rest of the prram. thk you very much. amid growing outcry, house republicans are circulating a draft immigration bill that would stop the separation of children from their parents at the border. it also calls for $25 billion in border security funding, including money for a border wall. it ends the diversity visa lottery, makes cuts to family-based visas, and provides a path to citizenship for daca recipient the. meanwhile, attorney general jeff sessions used biblical passages to defend the b

his investigation has resulted in a criminal referral a former fbi deputy director andy mccabe for allegedlyisleading investigators involving matters involving the hillary clinton email investigation. the u.s. attorney's office in washington, d.c., is currently looking into mccabe. host: the ig is considered a nonpolitical office. does that mean this report will be taken differently than if it were put out by a congressional committee or another political entity? along, this investigation was announced in january 20 17th. since that time, persons on both the left and the right have been trying to use this investigation for their political purposes. emma kratz, people who worked on hillary clinton's campaign -- democrats, people who worked on hillary clinton's campaign claimed james comey for her loss. republicans have been using some of these allegations about the mishandling of the clinton investigation not just to beat up on jim comey, but to beat up on the special counsel robert mueller whose team is investigating russian interference in the 2016 election. we think the inspector general w

are actively investigating andy mccabe and interviewing about him and that's the twitter divisions inhe fbi and doj trump wanted and these public flirtations with pardons and documenting all over the crimes or allegations facing his own people seems to be billing a set of ways to cash this out and ru rudy -- one might say a guilty-sounding argument and the hold ear holder builds on that, take a listen. >> if you pardon somebody, they don't have much to worry about on what the pardon covers. if bob mueller wants to take a pardon to person. that person no longer has the ability to say i want to -- then that person becomes a perfect witness for the special counsel. >> nelson your analysis. >> so i think we have to bear in mind two things. where is he going? the show down can happen as early as the summer. let's look at what he is pardoning people for. scooter libby and obstructed justice by lying to investigators and threatening to pardon martha stewart who went to jail for lying to investigators and obstructing justice. dinesh d' suoza for fraud and he wants to pardon rob who gave away

because andy mccabe doesn't remember the meeting in his office. strzok referred to to lisa page. we don't know the identities of the other people saying horrible things about trump voters and trump himself. for some mysterious reason. are you going to drill down on that? >> absolutely. i want to know -- 23eur8, i want to know what the insurance plan was. and are we ever going to know that? i want to know why people are still working for the department of justice and the fbi who clearly showed wrongdoing. you know, there's this law and it sounds terrible, but there salah that says you are not allowed to circumvent the system and hide your email and texts using private. and, yet, every time somebody does it, there is no consequence. there's got to begin to be some consequence circumventing the law to do things you are not supposed to do. brian: chairman, also, james comey using his private email for work stuff. him leaking to the "new york times" that's up for debate. and also, you have to wonder, too, why they went out of their way to make sure tha

now we know about andy mccabe.hey didn't think of trump and all of these other unidentified agents that did not think of trump. . >> neil: all right. you heard awhile ago from the republican governor of illinois that is concerned about the president's ongoing tariff tension with a number of countries, including our friends and our enemies. meet barack obama's economic svengali that is just as concerned, maybe more concerned. aust austin goolsby is next. but i wasn't tough enough to quit on my own. not until i tried chantix. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. it reduced my urge to smoke to the point that i could stop. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, or suicidal thoughts or actions with chantix. serious side effects may include seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking or allergic and skin reactions which can be

>> our understanding, it was andy mccabe, the deputy director. >> so you have the deputy director meeting with the lead investigator of the clinton e-mail investigation and mrs. page meeting in andy's office discussing taking out an insurance policy to make sure that donald trump doesn't mcpresident. is that what you're telling us? >> i'll be clear. i can't speak to whether mccabe was there or not. >> did you ask him? >> we did. he said he didn't recall. >> so one of them is lying. so i want you to reopen this investigation and come back and tell us, do you believe strzok or do you believe mccabe? you told me the deputy director of the fbi says he's not the andy. >> just to be clear, they're talking about what -- a conversation in his office. he's claiming he's saving, he's doesn't recall if he's there or not. neither of those individuals -- >> all i'm saying is the andy's office where in occurred, he wasn't there. what does strzok say? does he say he was? >> strzok says he's there somebody is lying. we'll figure that out later. norm of this is normal, folks. let's look at the actual inte

we were talking about it, andy mccabe, his mother-in-law is from iowa, his family, his wife, his brother-in-laws one of my best friends, she a trump guy. people just get sucked in there, roseanne is full on with the nazis, the racist, and just crazy crazy crazy. i don't know how you get there. i think mental health and trump, putting that stuff there, they're against us, they're violent -- and they disseminate so much information. i did a deep dive into the information that says it is not just fox news but fox news and the internet and it's like a drug. and donald trump is the king ping, he is per ppetuating it. it is keeping people sick in this country and he has got to go. >> we want you to come back when your vice special is ready to air. >> it's a series. >> people say it's good politics with trump, and it's like no, it's horrible for the country. where is steve schmidt? is he okay? >> he is resting up after all of that. >> after the break, erie similarities between fox news and north korean state tv. over the last 24 hours, you finished preparing him for college. in 24 hours, you'll send h

that would require a cause like they found for andy mccabe. >> neil: if they fired me, i would glue myself to my desk. >> they would have to get through me first. i'm not challenging management on that one. >> neil: but more dumb questions. all the unnamed, unidentified agents. horrible things to say about donald trump. why are they unnamed? to what end? >> so the fbi which is masterful at gathering evidence is masterful at concealing evidence. >> trace: but they pick and choose. >> correct. i suspect the fbi agents that work for inspector general horowitz may have used means to obtain these texts that wouldn't pass muster in a courtroom. >> neil: i see. >> in order to get them out there but not give the people whose texts they were action against their fellow agents, they won't say who they are. >> neil: i'd be remiss if i didn't mention the president signing this order. he hopes to settle this issue. we reverted back to where we were but it's not good enough. >> he could have signed an order that sets forth his values and goals. he signed one that authorized her in her discretion, which

. >> mr.Ï¿½horowitz james comey, andy mccabe deputy director, jim baker, fbi counsel lisa page and petersix important people at the fbi, right? >> correct. >> they were the key players on the clinton investigation and on the russian investigation, correct? >> they were certainly important on both. >> has mr.Ï¿½comey been fired? >> yes. >> has mr.Ï¿½mccabe been fired. >> yes. >> did mr.Ï¿½mccabe lie under oath. >> in our view, yes. >> is there a criminal referral. >> i won't comment on that. >> has general counsel jim baker left the fbi. >> yes. >> was he removed from his position prior to leaving the fbi. >> i'm not sure. >> has lisa page left the fbi. >> yes. >> was she reassigned prior to leaving. >> yes. >> and peter strzok removed from his position as deputy counter intelligence. >> yes. >> you've been with the d.o.j. for six years, cheech of the inspector generals, have you ever, ever seen anything like this at any other federal agency in your time in the federal government? six of the top people fired, demoted, reassigned or left? >> um, i obviously can't speak broadly to other are

. >> a senior justice department official told me at the time of the andy mccabe being pulled out ofand dealt with 48 hours before he would have bested in his own that there was already some discomfort that the i.g. process in and itself may have been -- corrupted is too strong, but may have been impacted by all the public facing influence from the president. what are the expectationsn this i.g. report? >> i think the president's expectation is that it comes out with information that is good for him. if it doesn't, it's from the deep state and it's from his enemies. all of this is reflective of donald trump's own view that the justice department is not there to be independent and to follow the rule of law. it's there to help him, to protect him, to fight his battles. he views jeff sessions that way. he's disappointed in jeff sessions as one of his attorneys because he didn't do what donald trump wanted him to do. he expects the same thing coming out of the justice department in terms of this report, in terms of the fbi director who's willing to pledge loyalty to him or not. everythin

>> our understanding it was andy mccabe, the deputy director. >> so you have the deputy director meeting with the lead investigator of the clinton e-mail investigation and ms. page, who's involved somehow meeting in andy's office discussing taking out an insurance policy to make sure donald trump doesn't become president? is that what you're telling us? >> i'll be clear, i can't speak to whether mccabe -- mr. mccabe was there or not. >> did you ask mr. mccabe? >> we did. he said he did not recall. >> so one of them is lying. so i want you to reopen this investigation and come back and tell us. do you believe strock or do you believe mccabe? because you just told me the deputy director of the fbi says he's not the andy. >> he doesn't -- just to be clear, they're talking about a conversation in his office? >> yes. >> he's claiming -- he is saying he does not recall whether he was there or not and neither of those individuals are putting him in the middle of their conversation. >> all i'm saying is that the andy's office where this occurred, he wasn't there. what did strock -- strock says h

interviewed former fbi director james comey into an investigation in his former deputy andrew "andy" mccabed of leaking information to the media a number of times. meanwhile the price tag on the mueller investigation is rising, up to $17 million in taxpayer funds. feel safer? a professor of constitutional law at george washington law school in washington joins us. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> so the andrew mccabe question, from our perspective, again not knowing all the facts, but it seems cut and dry. we know very well that it is a felony to lie to a federal agent, and that's one of the reasons that, well, that martha stewart went to prison, or general flynn pled guilty. so we have read accounts that he lied to investigators at the fbi. why wouldn't he be charged? >> well, i think that the expectation is that he will be charged. the problem facing mccabe is that the record that his own colleagues created. it was the inspector general's office that concluded he had lied. one of the key witnesses was james comey himself. in fact, mccabe's lawyer sort of went after comey for hi

. >> and you certainly know that andy mccabe should have known what was going on. in the room when they had discussion of an insurance policy in 2016 and this is right after peter strzok said he had unfinished business because of the exam. beginning the russia investigation. clearly they were tainted -- peter strzok was, anyways, with what he was doing in that investigation. lou: and you talk about the insurance policy. there's a reference gene by agay strzok to quote we'll stop him. >> which we just found out about in the inspector general report. that's one of the texts that somehow was never handed over. lou: and we know there are over 600,000 e-mails that have been collected as well and nobody seems to be curious about it at the department of justice with the anthony weiner laptop. you know, no one is answering these questions. and with all of this business about collusion of the russians, where the heck is the dnc server that was hack bid the russians and why don't we have first hand first party knowledge and examination of that server rather than a third part

. >> before you go, the former fbi director andy mccabe who was fired by jeff sessions not long ago ise department of justice and suing the fbi. why? >> reporter: yeah. for quite some time we've expected to see a civil lawsuit from the embattled fr deputy director andrew mccabe stemming from how he was fired just days before he was schedule today get his pension after over 20 years at the department, but we're now been able to receive somethesn't to justify his termination,ere including key internal fbi policies and procedures. so he has now filed a federal lawsuit in federal court against both the justice department and the fbi to get those records, poppy. >> thank you so much. let's bring in our chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin on this. let's just start with mccabe. his lawyers say you got to give us the reasoning you got to give us the documents, why, because we are seeking to vindicate his reputation, restore his good name. lega w does the justice explaining itself? hand over he >> this is the a lawsuit filed under the freedom of information act, which has become this very people

are actively investigating andy mccabe who became a very public enemy of the president as a potentialitness to obstruction. they are now reportedly interviewing james comey about mccabe's deputy. that's cannexactly the twitter-driven in the fda that the president wanted. they all overlap with the kind of crimes or allegations facing his own people seems to be building a set of ways for him to cash this out. then of course the ultimate is rudy giuliani basically saying, forget what they find. forget even if they find felonies that reach the highest office in the land. we ultimately think we can win an impeachment fight. which is an incredibly negative, cynical, one might even say guilty-sounding argument. then holder builds on that. take a listen. >> if you pardon somebody, well, that means they don't have much to worry about with regard to whatever the pardon covers. but if bob mueller, for instance, wants to take a pardoned person, put that person before a grand jury, that person no longer has the ability to say, i'm going to invoke my fifth amendment right. that's been stripped away

unidentified individuals and now i know how james comey felt about then candidate donald trump and how andy mccabehis number 2. i have not run across one piece of evidence to show a pro trump person or someone that was bias to like donald trump. i might have missed it. again, doesn't this feed the narrative that that was a stacked deck? that certainly -- that stacked deck has been claimed by a lot of republicans. they were out to get him. >> i certainly haven't seen it. it seems to be one way. what is surprising and disappointing to me is that some of these folks, strzok in particular and page, even though they were professionals, they weren't able to put aside their political biases. the fact is that everyone in the country harbors their own political leanings. for most people and the vast majority of people in the fbi, they have been able to put the biases aside when it comes to the sacred function of law enforcement. >> did you share -- we all have opinions. these were aggressively shared and aggressive opinions at that. when you were there, was that -- did you know your colleagues felt, whethe

neutrally look into the russia investigation and he was talking about an insurance policy with andy mccabe and lisa page in the event donald trump became the president. all of this came at the same time that strzok said he could smell the trump support in southern virginia. all of this was at the same time that this fbi agent said it would be fing terrifying. and that it would never happen. no, no, we'll stop it. so while investigating russia ourtheir attempt to subvert democracy, we go to 2017 where we find peter strzok again, this same supposed to be dispassionate neutral fair fbi agent, you would think he'd be really excited about investigating what a foreign power tried to do to this country, but you would be wrong again for peter strzok and precisely the same time that bob mueller was appointed, precisely the same time peter strzok was talking about his unfinished business and how he needed to fix and finish it so donald trump did not become president. he was talking about impeachment within three days of special counsel mueller being appointed. three days. that's even quicker than ms

has been grinding down the doj, putting pressure on the ig probe, putting pressure on people like andy mccabe may become witnesses against trump in the obstruction case. >> absolutely. this has been an all-out smear and all-out attempt to undermine the criminal justice system which in our country, unlike third world dictators, is supposed to operate in a nonpartisan way, an apartisan way. you are not supposed to have the president order the attorney general to have briefings with his cronies. you're not supposed to have the attorney general and other senior members of the administration taking pot shots at the fisa courts, for example. this is all extraordinary and utterly inappropriate. i will say there is one person who is primarily responsible other than trump himself, and that is paul ryan. he has completely fallen down on the job. it's his obligation to be the speaker not just of the republicans but of the house, which is a co-equal branch of government he has left nunes in place, he has been a mouse when it comes to talking back to the president or standing up for american values, ameri

keep him from the white house, bruce ohr, department of justice, his wife worked for fusion gps, andy mccabegoes on and on. now there is question about rod rosenstein. lindsey graham brought this up, the fact he may be a witness for mueller. lindsey graham should you recuse yourself interactions with and oversight with the mueller investigation. here is another one. >> you know, this is something that insiders have actually been talking about for quite a while with the rod rosenstein situation. if, if, the firing of james comey is a big part of any case of obstruction against the president if the firing of james comey a part of that, how could rod rosenstein be involved in that and supervising. he was up to the neck with the firing of james comey. maybe wasn't it his doing. the president had him write a memo. unclear -- david: really is. >> how rosenstein supervise the investigation and be a key witness in it at the same time. david: byron, here is another thing that is unclear. how this whole thing started. kim strassel in "the wall street journal" wrote about that. supposedly, what the inv

is acting with a tinge of dignity that as you point out has been so lacking when he confronted andy mccabeer fbi deputy when he attacked the look of ted cruz's wife when he's gone after other spouses, but maybe he's finally doing the right thing here. so we'll jus have to see if the new escalation draws the newer spots. >> and great to see you both. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> is there a cult-like relationship between republican leaders and president trump as reican senator bob corker says. can we sleep well at night longer a nuclear threat as the president says? republican senator rob portman joins me next. honey lo, your ole cd player. my high school rethainer. oh don't... 's early0s sit dave coulier... cut...it...out! [laughing] lost in the couch,? long as you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. i'm a fighter. always have been. when i found out i had age-related macular degeneration, amd, i wanted to fight back. my doctor and i came up with a plan. it includes preservision. on

fairly, neutrally look into the russia investigation was talking about an insurance policy with andy mccabe and lisa page in the event trump became the president. all of this was happening at the same time peter strzok said he could smell the trump support in southern virginia. all this was at the same time that this fbi agent said a trump presidency would be efing terrifying and that it will never happen. no, no, we'll. sto stop it. while their attem-- for them, i an investigation to stop donald trump, which then brings us to may of 2017 where we find peter strzok again, this same supposed to be dispassionate neutral fair fbi agent -- you would think he'd be really excited about investigating what a foreign power tried to do to this country, but you would be wrong again. at precisely the same time that bob mueller was appointed, peter strzok was talking about his unfinished business and how he needed to fix and finish it so donald trump did not become president. he was talking about impeachment within three days of special counsel mueller being appointed, three days. that's even quicker th

it was only six days later he was rrching an insurance policy in andy mccabe's office. >> that's -- >id he's seen nothing like this. never before in his career has he seen the entire leadership team of the fbi removed, demoted. reassigned -- >> it shows swift action even though the guy didn't say bias. i want to get to another -- >> that was swift action by the president to fire comey. >> that's because of why he did it. but i don't want to go into that rabbit hole right now. i want to play something else you did with the fisa application. it goes into what's motivating the question here. >> did you read the fisa application before you signed it in>> not going to comment about any fisa police vehicle. >> so you won't say to this committee whether or not you read the document you signed that authorizes spying on people with the trump's campaign? >> i dispute your interpretation of what that fisa application is about, sir. they are sworn under oath career federal agent, i'm not the after yant. >> but you signed it? >> well, i explained the process to you -- >> did you thoroughly verify

all you get is, andy mccabe is a , 's not to be d. he was involved i my investigation, so thus don't trust my investigation. so you're going to see i think a lot of bank shots by the president here. but at the same time, i do think this is an important investigative document, an important historical document. it's going to book end jim comey's directorship of the fbi. and i think he's going to come in for some serious criticisms about that press conference in july of 2016 and that decision to send a letter in octob of 2016, you know, saying, yeah, we're looking once again at hillary clinton's e-mails. >> does your reporting bear out, jonathan, that the realsion is to indict jim comey's credibility as a witness in the obstruction of justice inquiry into donald trump? >> it's actually much broader and bigger than that. i mean, trump's talent is knowing what a large section of the public -- how they absorb information and news. people aren't following it the way we are. most people wouldn't know andrew mccabe has left the justice departm

. >> andy mccabe, the fbi agent. mother-in-law is from iowa and his family and his wife, his brother-in-law is one of my best friends. she's a trump guy. people just get sucked in there. roseanne is full-on with the nazis and with the racist and -- just crazy, crazy, crazy. i don't know how you get in there. i think mental health and trump putting that stuff, it's rigged. they're gentzler against us -- disseminate so much information. i did a deep dive into the information. it's not just fox news, but it's fox news and the internet stuff. and it's like a drug. and then donald trump is the king pen. he is perpetuating. that's why he has to go, too. he is the king pen of this drug ke keeping people sick in this country. >> we want to you come back when your vice special is getting ready to air. >> it's a series. i love you was you keep it real. people are like well, it's good politics. you're like, no, it's horrible for the country. >> we appreciate having you here. >> where is steve schmidt? is he okay? what happened

he pressed him on whether that andy was andy mccabe. that is what everyone thinks. apparently the inspector general replied to him, he doesn't recall that he was in that meeting, that kind of thing. we haven't been able to verify it. so graham writes in the letter, "i believe it or be a great consequence at the deputy director of the fbi met with the lead investigator in the clinton email and russian investigation to talk about an "insurance policy" against donald trump's victory in 2016. that would show bias and inappropriate behavior at the hiest level of the fbi. how do you plan to fix the discrepancy? how do you plan to score these accounts"? as a senator, can he get that? >> he can pull the pressure on the inspector general. i think he is raising very, very questions. we have what is a conflict. some people so there was a meeting in mccabe's office to discuss the insurance policy, mccabe's saying i didn't know anything about this, it wasn't part of the discussion. a conflict in the evidence. what senator graham is seeing very reasonably us to the inspector gene

seen over and over again the president wants to prejudge that evidence, right, in moving to fire andy mccabe in the days before he was eligible for retirement before the investigations were complete moving on comey before this investigation was complete. he claims that this inspector general's an obama guy but he served administrations both republican and democrat alike and considered a very objective thoughtful prosecutor by all kinds of people. i think the president is trying to politicize what should be an apolitical process of trying to get to the truth here. think we need to take a long look at what this inspector general is saying and understand it carefully before we rush to judgment. >> go ahead. >> part of the report indicates that the problem that comey did with coming out and announcing in july, right before the election. the problem i have, most of my peers have, is that's not the fbi's way. the fbi does the investigation, gives it over to the attorney general, the attorney general decides whether or not to prosecute. >> you don't think comey should have ever had that news confer

fairly, neutrally look into the russia investigation was talking about an insurance policy with andy mccabe and lisa page in the event donald trump became the president. all of this was happening at the same time peter strzok said he could smell the trump support in southern virginia. all of this was at the same time that this fbi agent said, a trump presidency would be f'ing terrifying and that it will never happen, no, no, we'll stop it. so while investigating russia and their intent to subvert our democracy may have been important to the rest of the country, it wasn't all that important to half a dozen fbi agents and lawyers who were assigned to the case. for them it was an investigation to stop donald trump, which then brings us to may 2017, in appointment of the special counsel, where we find peter strzok again, the same -- supposed to be dispassionate, neutral fair fbi agent, you would think he would be really excited about investigating what a foreign power tried to do to this country. but you would be wrong again for peter strzok and precisely the same time that bob mueller was appo

brian: last fast forward to andy mccabe.uy will go in front of the senate judiciary committee. he needs immunity. does andy mccabe get immunity? >> he only gets immunity if he has something substantial to offer. if he has nothing to offer. they call him, he takes the fifth. and people can make their own judgments about that. he has to proffer. his lawyer has to come in and say if you give me immunity, i'm going to give you a, b, c, d. they have to say wow, that looks pretty good. how about if you give us e and f, also. it's a negotiation. in the end he will probably get it. steve: ultimately, for instance, if the doj realizes there are criminal charges we could launch against him. >> they won't give him immunity. steve: right. >> they don't want to be ollie north. he got immunity. he was convicted and then the d.c. circuit overruled it and reversed it said you used immunized testimony. it makes it a little hard toward prosecute. abby: the media has gone a little while talking about the president pardoning himself. saying is

horowitz: andy mccabe, the deputy director. sen. graham: you have the lead investigator meeting with the deputy director, and ms. page meeting in andy's office discussing taking out an insurance policy to make sure donald trump does not become president? is that what you are telling us? speak toz: i cannot whether mr. mccabe was there or not. sen. graham: did you ask him? mr. horowitz: he said he did not recall. >> one of them is lying. i want you to reopen these investigation and come back and tell us to you believe strzok or mccabe? ig horowtz: to be clear, they are talking about a conversation in his office. he is stating he does not recall whether he was there or not. neither of those individuals are putting him in their conversation. >> all i'm saying is the office where this occurred, he was not there. does strzok say he was there? ig horowtz: strzok says he was there. >> we will figure that out. none of this is normal. let's look at the interview itself. how many people were involved in the clinton interview? orhorowtz: there

so, what this means for andy mccabe as well.nk this is the beginning of what we are going to see, because there are so many leaks out there. this is just one of the early ones. brian: nobody really believes that the press has been necessarily in the president's corner, let's say conservatively. i have never seen any person, let alone president attack regularly and so wholeheartedly as this president. it has not stopped his numbers from rises. according to a fox news poll. his approval rating has ticked up 4 points. at a time in which traditionally after a year or so, the afor i can' euphorias off. this president's started down and gradually gone up. rasmussen 49%. steve: shortly after inaugurated 48%. and all over the place. brian: he was in his 30's. abby: look at the handling of the economy 52% there. i do wonder where the 41%, what their arguments are when you are at 3.8 unemployment. steve: one of the other things that goes into his approval ration. according to this fox news poll that's been released. apparently more people