let me start with you, andy mccarthy. you've been around a while, prosecuted these cases we talked about. you were assisting united states attorney. we hear media outlets and others say first of all, it's not a spy, and second of all, fisa is not a big deal and we needed to get to the bottom of this russia thing. trey gowdy said this is exactly what the american people would want from the fbi. how do you respond to that? >> i don't think so. i think, mark, all of the back and forth whether it's a spy or informant is beside the point. when i was a prosecutor, the informants worked for us so when i spoke to the jury during the case, i would call them the informants, and the defense lawyers get up and speak to the same juries involved and the guys and call them the spies, the snitches, whatever, they're government-controlled covert operatives who you send into get information regardless what you call them, and the important thing always is why you sent them in, not what you call what they're doing, whether you want to be hyp

ldz back with us, andy mccarthy, a former assistant u.s.ey for the southern district of new york, national contributing editor, fox business contributor. thank you for staying over. rosenstein, they're making it clear that they're two of the most arrogant son of a guns that i can even imagine putting up with. and are they really that stupid as to prod an oversight committee, whether it be judiciary, whether it be intel. they've given the back of their hand snr i thin. >> i think they're frustrated. it's too bad that they smirked the way that they did at times, because i do think -- lou: ray i would fire just for his smug nonsense. >> you know, look. these guys are trump appointees. and they are being portrayed as the main culprits here. lou: they're telling everybody to go to hell. >> but in the meantime, the fact is the president could order them to release the documents. and i think from their standpoint, just to try to sit in their shoes for a second, the committee is saying to them, all of these people who are committing misconduct work

mark: david, you are my lawyer, andy mccarthy, great buddies here. a serious subject.our notable cases

andy mccarthy did a great interview with brian. can't be cited for obstruction for committing acts that are within his constitutional prerogative to commit but i think if the position waso say a president can never commit obstruction we know that is wrong because the nixon and clinton impeachments involved things that were illegal acts like subordination and bribery of witnesses but what time is accused of here involves legal actions, basically, removing the fbi director and weighing in on whether flynn should be prosecuted. he is allowed to do that. brian: big picture is this, if you notice over the last three or four weeks since rudy giuliani got involved, we're not waiting to find out what mueller will do. we'll tell him what we need. why this has to end. we'll be consistent and continue to hammer it. that is where the president is most comfortable. rudy giuliani and the president have known each oat for 30 years. he knows the strategy to bo forward. he will say i'm not a victim to a probe we don't know what is going on behind t

fox news contributor, andy mccarthy. former whitewater deputy independent council, sal wisenberg and former international spokesperson john. great to see all of you. sal, let's start with you. you are annoyed by jim jordan's questioning which you found to be badger. i was watching on my radio studio and ich kind of winced because when you have to interrupt the witness, it makes your case not look that good. let him answer the question and then have a quick follow-up but i think he's worried about not having enough time. they have such limited amount of time that he probably got frustrated. was that a fatal mistake on the part of jordan? >> i don't think it's a fatal mistake. i just think he's -- he went to school at the teddy kennedy school of congressional cross-examination. you ask a hostile question and then you immediately interrupt the person that you're questioning.re my objection is not to the substance of what he asked. he's allowed to ask anything he wants. it is to the badgering, but the larger question here ab

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national review contributing editor, andy mccarthy. i don't know what to say about michael horowitz and his report, clear statement of findings of bias in the upper regions -- if they can be called that in the leadership of the fbi and he found that none of this -- he testified none of this suggested to him that the decision not to investigate hillary clinton was motivated by an anti-trump bias that seemed to be universal. >> i knew horowitz as a prosecutor in new york. and i think if you were make an argument to a jury rather than doing a report like this, what you would say is ladies and gentlemen, you get to bring your common sense into the courtroom. so if you find you have people who are pervasively biased and they take actions which are completely consistent with their pervasive bias. when you get to the end of the rainbow you can say they acted on their biases. lou: it strikes me it seeps unworthy of notice the fact that 50,000 emails between strzok and lisa page, first of all, as to their being lovers, i didn't see a single rem

on specific issues like the fbi stuff, andy mccarthy, there are writers that all in for donald trump,but i'm kind of hard-pressed, part of the problem is that there's this journal that launched a year end half ago that was dedicated to flushing out and defending the philosophical and policy agenda of trump -ism, and it turned into kind of a disaster because the problem is i don't think there is a core. it's more of a psychological phenomenon. if you put all your betsan on saying his policy x is the right policy, and three or four days he completely reversed himself on that and if you're consistent thinker or writer, what do you do? do then criticize him for changing his mind? or do to send president trump for being flexible or this 14 dimensional chess, you get a lot of those kinds of arguments because you can't follow a straight narrative on a lot of policy stuff. during the primaries, donald trump was for single-payer, he was again single-payer, he was for a lot of things. ideologically he's kind of like an escaped monkey from a cocaine study. it's very difficult to predict where he

on specific issues like the fbi stuff, andy mccarthy is great.there are writers at the federalist who are all in for donald trump. but i am hard-pressed, part of the problem is if -- there is this a good journal launched a year and a half ago that was dedicated to fleshing out and defending the philosophical and policy agenda of trump and it turned into a disaster because i don't think there is a consistent ideological core to trumpism. it is a psychological phenomenon more than ideological. if you put your bets saying trump's policy x is the right policy, in 3 or 4 days trump can completely reverse himself on that. if you are intellectually consistent thinker or writer, what do you do? do you think criticized donald trump for changing his mind or do you defend donald trump for being flexible or being -- 14 dimensional chess? you get a lot of those kinds of arguments because you can't follow a straight narrative on a lot of policy stuff. during the primaries donald trump was for single-payer, against single-payer, a lot of different things. ideol

and we are so pleased to announced that making his debut tonight is former federal prosecutor andy mccarthy. great to see all of you. andy, since you are the new kid on the block, let's talk about where we are tonight. this interview that we just had with rudy, they are going to make a decision he said in the next week or so about whether the president will in any way testify, circumscribed questions, or by written answers, unless something really unusual c out in t ig report. your take on that? >> i still think, laura, if the president was a journalist, there would be hoops that you have to go through in the just department to even think about getting a sit down with him. so i continue to not understand why, if you want to inter the president of the united states as a prosecutor, you don't have to establish preliminarily that there is a serious offense that he has been implicated in, and that he is the repository of information that nobody else has, and you can only get to from him. frankly unless muller can satisfy that test, and you wrestled with the justice department so many times tryi

. >> an interesting piece that you guys may have read, andy mccarthy, he's been writing on these issues for months. basically, he said it didn't seem like common sense to him that the ig walked us through everything. at the end of the day, the actions that were taken were justified. they were reasonable. he writes that's just not common sense. you can't look at things in a vacuum. and of course they're connected. what do you say, mark? >> well, i think the inspector general applied a standard of justification for everything that was done and he concluded that there by and large was a justification. now, you don't have to look at the report with the same standard that he used because i think that you really have to read the whole report to see the facts here and the culture of bias that was underneath his findings. when it comes to peter strzok, he does single strzok out and say, when it comes to the russia investigation -- hillary comes out of this pretty good because he basically said that investigation was justified and is basically over. i don't think we're going to repeat that. but

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i think that on specific issues like the fbi stuff, andy mccarthy at national review does great.there are writers at the federalist that are all in for donald trump. but i'm kind of hard pressed to say -- part of the problem is that if you -- there's this egg-heady journal that launched a year and a half ago dedicated to fleshing out and defending the philosophical and policy agenda of trumpism, and it turned into kind of a disaster because the problem is don't think there is a core -- there is a consistent ideal core of trumpism. it is more of a psychological phenomenon than an ideological phenomenon and if you put all your bets on saying trumpist policy x is the right policy, in three or four days, trump can complete he reverse himself on that and if you're an intellectually consistent thinker or writer, what do you do? do you then criticize president trump for changing his mind? or do you defend president trump for being flexible or being this -- or this -- it's 14 dimensional chess. you get a lot of those kind our arguments because you can't follow a straight narrative on a l

andy mccarthy wrote a column about this. they work for him. he can say i want all the documents released now. give them to me and i'll make a decision about the appropriateness. he has the authority. no question about it. this is what it may come to. if we have impeachment hearing you know how long that will take, it will take longer than what we have done up to date. so congress can fuss and huff and puff and they are doing it. i think they are right to do it. i think they are in the right. but the person that can cut the knot is the president. >> should he? >> bill: i think he should. >> lisa: the concern for the president is the justice issue but i think it's taken off the table. if you look at comey's actions as the f.b.i. director. clearly out of line. doing things unprecedented. that is off the table. even in the own memo he talked about how president trump wanted him to investigate the issue to see if there is any issue of collusion. so president trump should direct them to comply. >> bill: i heard it would be obstruction of justice. an

as andy mccarthy was saying earlier, you wonder what's it going to take to get an order to have these released. do we have to go to a contempt, do have to go to the u.s. attorney -- lou: think about it, congressman. this has been going on, taking the most recent request from house oversight judiciary, they've told both committee to go to h hell since last fall. >> compare to how quickly they jumped to conclusions in the e-mail investigation two months before they interviewed mrs. clinton, they're writing the exoneration memo. lou: excellent point. congress mappcongressman, good u with us. appreciate your time. >> thank you. lou: well moments from now we'll be bringing you that live police briefing on the deadly newsroom shooting in annapolis, maryland. five people were killed. and we know at least three, possibly seven more more wounded in the incident. president trump tonight is thanking all of the first responders. fox business senior correspondent adam shapiro now with more reaction to the shooting. adam? >> and it's good to see you, lou. the president tweeting earlier this evening

do this but if you look at it from republican versus democrat as you were just discussing with andy mccarthyuse of some crazy phenomenon where blue-collar union members tend to be more public and what their union leaders tend to be more democrat. this is catastrophic for them. liz: let's bring in california attorney hermie dylan. is the judge right? >> deaf i am particularly so in the blue states you mentioned california number one on the list where there is this very unhealthy symbiotic/parasitic relationship between the public-sector labor union bosses and democratic politicians in sacramento that end up driving up or our cost of living cumberpatch and everything in california becomes more expensive than difficult. this is going to affect democratic funding and ultimately the laws we see. liz: the governor did an end run a preemptive move to keep preeminent government intact. you can bet other states have picked up on that. >> no doubt. in fact it's a mandatory orientation for public-sector union members and that would include having a waiting time period before you could opt out of the un

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as andy mccarthy was saying earlier, you wonder what's it going to take to get an order to have these released. do we have to go to a contempt, do have to go to the u.s. attorney -- lou: think about it, congressman. this has been going on, taking the most recent request from house oversight judiciary, they've told both committee to go to h hell since last fall. >> compare to how quickly they jumped to conclusions in the e-mail investigation two months before they interviewed mrs. clinton, they're writing the exoneration memo. lou: excellent point. congress mappcongressman, good u with us. appreciate your time. >> thank you. lou: well moments from now we'll be bringing you that live police briefing on the deadly newsroom shooting in annapolis, maryland. five people were killed. and we know at least three, possibly seven more more wounded in the incident. president trump tonight is thanking all of the first responders. fox business senior correspondent adam shapiro now with more reaction to the shooting. adam? >> and it's good to see you, lou. the president tweeting earlier this evening

>> martha: andy mccarthy wrote it piece in the national review about this and said the house intelligencettee is investigating whether the government has used theustice department's awesome investigative authorities as a weapon against a political adversary and he that thitells g is that the justice department is threatening to use their awesome investigative authorities as a weapon against political adversaries. is that how you see it? >> unwittingly they are proving our point that they do abuse their power have gone way beyond their lane. i would say it's important to point out that rod rosenstein, i have nothing against him personally. i think he has acted very wrong here. he is the one who signed the fourth fisa application. he's the one who signed onto that and there are real questions about what was contained in that application. so in a way he was also being investigated himself. i think he should be recusing himself from this entire matter, but in any event, he has a double motive here. not only is he somehow digging in to protect the institution against congress, but he also has

to do this if you look at it from republican versus democrat, as you were just discussing with andy mccarthyf some crazy phenomenon where blue r union members tend to be more republican, their labor union leaders tend to be more democratic. it's catastrophic for the democrats. >> bill: thank you, judge. >> sandra: thank you. several candidates backed by president trump went to victory last night including south carolina governor henry mcmaster, as a 10-term democrats loses to a 28-year-old democrat. let's go maria bartiromo and brad blakeman, former assistant to george w. bush. richard fowler radio talk show host and fox news contributor. you wouldn't be the a-team if you didn't have lengthy resumes, right? brad, start with you first. what a night that was. what were you able to conclude from this? >> coattails from the president. the president came in to south carolina. the vice president came in supported candidates. remember, in election cycles you have to be selected by the party before you are elected by the people. we have selected people who are electable and where the party should be

with reaction, former federal prosecutors, andrew mccarthy, florida congressman, matt gaets. those not following andy'sriting, on n.r.o., it's been phenomenal. you have been on top of your game. your columns dead-on accurate. and this probably hits you hard, because of your background. you prosecuted the blind shake, first world trade center bombing. >> yes, sean, not only that, a lot of the people players in this i know them for 20 or 30 years. a lot of it is unpleasant. >> sean: is the same people, would you first of all agree that hillary frankly it was rigged, committed felonies, do you have any doubt about that? >> no, i don't. i thought it was rigged from the beginning. i think that once president obama in particular laid out what i think is a contorted construction of the espionage statute, which is what they investigated her under, that was, i mean, look at the fact that they investigated trump for conveying signals with respect to flynn on that theory. you know, what obama did was basically say he didn't want mrs. clinton prosecuted and he laid out a theory of the espionage act that i don't th

andrew mccarthy, former assistant authority for new york. and national contributing editor, andyl horowitz and clear statements of findings of bias in the upper regions if they can be called that in the leadership of the f.b.i. and he found that none of this, he testified that none of this suggested to him that the decision not to investigate hillary clinton was motivated by an anti- trump bias that seemed to be universal in the f.b.i. >> you know, it is funny, i knew horowitz as a prosecutor in new york. and i think if you were making an argument to a jury rather than doing a report like this, what you would say. ladies and gentlemen, you get to bring your common sense in to the courtroom. if you find people who are biassed and they take actions that are consistent with the pervasive bias. when you get to the end of the rainbow, you can say they's acted on their bias. >> lou: it seemed unworthy of notice or a preimminent place. the fact that 50,000 emails between strzok and lisa page, there was not first of all as to their being livers. i didn't see a single reference of i love