to corroborate some of the things he said, a close personal friend, former teammate of rogers, andy pettitte who really seemingly had to reason to lie about rogers use of drugs said that roger admitted to him that he had used human growth hormone. so some people who are really close to roger are going into great detail about his drug use and of course rogers's adamantly denying it. >> brown: so what is his reputation now on an off the mound. how big a fall from grace is this for what is, after all, at least in baseball terms, one of the all time great pitchers. so where does that stand now? >> it's huge. on the field you're talking about a guy who is the best pitcher of his generation. now we've got the best hitter of his generation, barry bonds and the best pitcher of his generation, roger clemens, both under indictment for lying to investigators. or perjury, anyway. and it's a huge fall from grace. we have been absolutely a first ballot hall of famer, along with barry bonds. they're both up for voting for the first time in 2013. and off the field while he was seen as an intense guy, off th