if andy puzder joins me. ith the economy expanding 3. 3%, the unemployment rate is below 4%, and we're running a $1.5 trillion deficit? how can that be? >> to state the obvious, we're spending too much. we've got $870 billion that will be paid in interest on the debt this year. so if you rook at the -- this year it'll be a $1.5 trillion deficit. you look at that a $870 billion, that's 57% of the deficit is in this interest payment. i think that puts -- people always a compare interest to gdp, and we're at the highest level we've been except for times when we were in an economic crisis. we've never been this high in a boom economic time. but compare it to the deficit, 57% is interest payments. stuart: so what happened? the deficit keeps on spiraling even in good time, what happens? >> i think people have ignored the threat for a long time because now maybe 20, 30 years we've been saying we've got too much debt, and nothing happens, right? are things different? their -- they're not different. i go back to heming