stanley johnson, though, it's too though, do you think it's too far wigmore to say that far for andyhis to political ethnic this amounts to political ethnic cleansing ? this amounts to political ethnic cle.yeah, ? this amounts to political ethnic cle.yeah, ethink this is being >> yeah, i think this is being used actually . by people who used actually. by people who have perhaps a sort of fairly rightist agenda to push the banks away from doing things which on other counts , they which on other counts, they ought to be doing. let me give you an example. you years and years ago, i'm talking 40 years ago, i'm talking about 40 or ago when i started or 50 years ago when i started this environmental business, i funded via the european commission. i've got to say, a big study called banking on the biosphere. how could the banks help sustainability and all that sort of thing? worries me sort of thing? what worries me is people who don't like is that people who don't like the we're going, as it were, the way we're going, as it were, environmentally, economically the way we're going, as it wer