andy warhol, painting of a can of soup and today he is enshrined among the greatest artists in history will that same thing be said about coons? >> it is going to be hard to say. andy warhol was a true artist, coming out at a really weird time and he fought his way to public acclaim. and his movement parallelled the rock movement. ir i.t. changed the world. coons isn't anything like warhol, he does anything he can to market his work, and that's why he's so controversial, that people are afraid what to think it would mean if he does become the defining artist of our age and what that says about our age. >> there is this big debate pop art over fine art. why is pop art distinguished from more sophisticated art? >> rock music is popular music, there's always been popular music right? there's always been controversial people, even frank sinatra in his day was thought of a radical presence in the music scene. there was something about rock music, wasn't there, something that changed society and i think pop art did the same thing, it expanded our minds as to what art could be, art could be s