movement make angela davis as much as angela davis made the movement and continues now to make the movement? angela: i think i was a creation respectsvement in many in terms of who i am, my own passion for justice, but also a creation of the movement that developed around the demand to free me, in terms of iconography that the movement created here that does not have very much to do with me. i see young people today wearing t-shirts with my image on it. it used to really bother me at first. it used to embarrass man bother me and finally, i asked the young woman, why she wear that shirt and she said, it makes me feel strong, it makes me feel powerful, it makes me feel like i can do anything i want to do. my response was, right on. julian: must make you feel good. does, but again, i see that as the strength of that movement. julian: do you see your legitimacy as a leader grounded in the ability to persuade people to follow your vision or your ability to articulate the agenda of the movement, or are these the same thing? increasingly, i see, whatever leadership capacity i have, being expressed

think the generations before us, and the folks that we still have around, yourself, bob moses, angela davisve been very helpful but the goals of the civil rights movement have yet to be fully met. >> i'm struck by your observation that integration was the target for the movement. but integration, i think that's a little misunderstood. >> okay. >> we aren't looking to integrate into america. whether it was racial integration, economic integration, it was that we knew if we were not part of the fabric of what this nation professed to be about, that we would never really truly touch the heartbeat of what america was about. >> so all the groups come together, all the young people that want to come, they knew they were talking a lot about within dream defenders and i think this is part of a larger conversation about who our target is. our target is not the koch brothers, our president obama, but the public opinion, the masses of people we need to shift from their places of comfort to see the world in the way we see it. >> what we set out to achieve in the civil rights movement is qualitatively e

next, we hear from civil rights leader and author, angela davis. she talks about her early activism in the south, and her thoughts on leadership. this program is one hour and 45 minutes. >> dr. davis, welcome to expirations in black leadership. ms. davis: it is my pleasure. >> let me begin with the brown decision. do you remember much about it, meaning anything to you, when you heard about it first. you were quite young. ms. davis: i was about 10 years old. i was intensely conscious of the system of segregation under which we lived. that this thinking probably is going to be the beginning of a new era. i say that because my mother constantly told us that the conditions, under which we were living, with which we were living, were not supposed to be that way. now, of course, i see myself, as an activist, as having been shaved by this fact. as three ors young four, she emphasized that this is not the way things were supposed to be. it is true that you cannot go to this museum today, but one day you will be able to go. inemember, in my house, and our c

angela. viola davis. there's an african viola davis which is kind of weird because american viola davis looks like the african viola davis. african will smith, african soldier boy, african gucci man. if you thought american gucci man was hideous, wait until you see african gucci man. they were all twins. white in america, please forgive black men for being late. it's in our dna. >> jimmy: you believe that? >> everybody is late in africa. the darker they were, the later they were. so bosses in america, please forgive your black workers for showing up 10 to 15 minutes late. >> jimmy: but. on the other hand, they're winning all the marathons, so it seems like -- [ cheers and applause ] by the way, your dad on "black-ish" is my twin, i think. i'll tell you what i, i know it seems weird but i was read tlug a newspaper years ago. i think i showed him the picture. i saw the picture, why am i in the newspaper. i realize it was laurence fishburne. >> really? cataracts? >> jimmy: if you examine our faces very close