i have the greatest respect for her as i do for angela davis and we agree on many things and some thingsuse americans should be able to do that. that we can sometimes agree and sometimes not and not become enemies as a result. so going back, the idea is, how do we allow people to be different in their thinking and to understand that the fundamental right of an american is to vote for whomever you think is best qualified. but let's have a robust conversation. let's talk about what are the values that are important and based on that people can make their decisions. peter: is your school part of the university of maryland system? mr. hrabowski: yes. peter: what was the impact a couple years ago of march madness on your school? mr. hrabowski: we are nerdy. we are proud of that. we have -- when we wonhe game, i wa to know, i had many of my students who say we are very excited, we talked about it in the papers in france and yet so many students also said, why are people so excited? the one at the bottom, us athletically, beat somebody at the top. that's wonderful. and everybody is laughing at

yeah, well, to answer your question, i'll go to an essay by angela davis. so, angela wrote this essay that was very helpful for me in writing this book where she lamented the fact that frederick douglass did not take up the beginnings of convict labor as a major cause. frederick douglass did have a little bit to say about prisons, but not that much. and angela davis basically this essay wishing that he had taken it up as a major cause when convict labor practices were in their infancy, by which she meant the hope. the post post-civil war. and she was to the south. but where we when we understand that actually convict labor began in new york state which was where douglass was living the fact that he never took it up is all the more astonishing. if we are thinking from our perspective. so one of the things that i'm doing in this book is really answering this question why was it not a major a major rallying cry for a amazing people, brilliant geniuses like frederick douglass, also harriet tubman, who lived in auburn. she lived in auburn to miles away from the a

is, where she lives, where she's from, but they haven't quite equated kamala harris as the new angela davis. if they lose the debate, they will do that for donald trump. what he has to do is talk about the issues that he believes are front and center. so the way he balances immigration, crime and the economy with what he will do in his next administration without mentioning things like project 2025, for example, that will be a key for donald trump. he has to show that he isn't tired that he is isn't a retread. he has to energize his campaign. >> mcewan says there will probably be more people watching that debate tomorrow. then watched kamala harris accepting the democratic nomination in chicago. he says for both sides, the only thing that really matters, of course, is turning out their base. plus, the swing voters, there are not a lot of them. but in a race this tight, they could make a really big difference. in the meantime, mckeown says if donald trump is perceived to be the winner of the debate tomorrow night, it will be what he calls a dog fight until the end grant and vicki. >> all rig

kamala harris as the new angela davis. if they lose the debate, they will do that for donald trump. what he has to do is talk about the issues that he believes are front and center. so the way he balances immigration, crime and the economy with what he will do in his next administration without mentioning things like project 2025, for example, that will be a key for donald trump. he has to show that he isn't tired that he is isn't a retread. he has to energize his campaign. >> mcewan says there will be more people watching tomorrow night's debate probably then watched kamala harris accept the democratic nomination in chicago. he says for both sides, the only thing that really matters now is turning out their base. plus, the swing voters and there aren't a lot of those. but in a race this tight that could make a huge difference. in the meantime, mckeown says of donald trump is perceived to be the winner of the debate tomorrow night. it will be what he calls a dog fight until the end grant and vicki. >> all right, catherine, thank you very much for that. meanwhile, former president tr

kamala harris as the new angela davis. if they lose the debate, they will do that for donald trump.t he has to do is talk about the issues that he believes are front and center. so the way he balances immigration, crime and the economy with what he will do in his next administration without mentioning things like project 2025, for example, that will be a key for donald trump. he has to show that he isn't tired that he is isn't a retread. he has to energize his campaign. >> mcewan says there will be more people watching tomorrow night's debate probably then watched kamala harris accept the democratic nomination in chicago. he says for both sides, the only thing that really matters now is turning out their base. plus the swing voters and there aren't a lot of those. but in a race this tight that could make a huge difference. in the meantime, mckeown says of donald trump is perceived to be the winner of the debate tomorrow night. it will be what he calls a dog fight until the end. >> that was catherine heenan reporting for us. dash cam video here shows a bridge collapsing in vietnam. t

. >> what i'm saying is i am aligned with angela davis. organize. i do think while recognizing that we should also recognize that young people have a voice that matters and we should privilege them, maybe, over republicans who are going to just vote for desantis in 2028 if we get her in in 2024. think about the young people. >> take a lighter. >> there it is. >> there it is. >> there it is. i love this pairing. i would like to see it again. >> thank you. >> in some form. our thanks to jeremy o'hare ris and andrew ross sorkin. superinteresting thinkers. keep it locked. we're moments away from stephanie ruhle's exclusive interview with vice president harris tonight 7:00 p.m. eastern which is in 20 seconds. it's a special hour featuring stephanie and anchored by our colleague, chris hayes. keep it locked for the big vp harris interview on msnbc right now. ♪♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris hayes. no, we did not skip an hour. joy reed is at the emmy's

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it's something that angela davis, who was a large black militant wanted. it is something that the marxists who founded black lives matter wanted. they wanted to break down what they referred to as the western prescribed nuclear family. of course we had nuclear families all over the world that by itself is a very racist statement. but the thing the american people taught remember about this, there have been people who wanted to destroy the family for the last 200-plus years. it actually goes back before marks, it includes the people who participated in the horrid french revolution. they all wanted a world free of god, free of commandments in the bible, and they felt it would be a lot more fun to live life if they didn't have any marital obligations. so it's not surprising and the crowning achievement of the left in my lifetime would be the great society, that that program, that that program was designed to clearly bribe people not to get married. it's not a surprise that in his current budget, president biden is putting more moneys in these programs. by put

angela davis, powerful radical, well-respected by the hard left in the 1960's and 1970's and 1980's,ame out against the traditional family. later on, black lives matter which exploded on the scene about five years ago, called for an end of the western prescribed nuclear family structure. think about all the businesses that gave money to black lives matter. think of all the prominent politicians, many of them in this room. they may say oh, i wasn't for that part of their program. but think about that. people who wanted to get rid of the, quote, western prescribed nuclear family, black lives matter, all on board and presented to be a positive thing. now, to what degree has this institution, the american government and the u.s. congress, played in weakening the american family? beginning in the 1960's, with the great society, lyndon johnson, who i think is the worst president we ever had, certainly until now, began a program in which an ever-expanding number of entitlements were doled out almost conditioned upon not having two parents, usually not a father, in the household. george gild

another prominent radical angela davis, a communist, she also came out against the american family and the role of men in the family. black lives matter called for ending the nuclear family structure and we know the major businesses of corporations in america gave money to black lives matter after it was put on their website. two of the three co-founders of black lives matter prided themselves on being marxists and did not stop black lives matter from being a group that many politicians wanted to show up with their signs at a rally -- just horrible. but it is, to me obvious that a goal of the new administration whoever is sworn in this january ought to look at, is it time to change the rules, to change the formulas so we no longer have an apparent policy in the united states of keeping both parents out -- both parents away from the children at the same time. i want to give another quote which i think is illuminating and this quote comes from a member of the wisconsin supreme court. the wirveg supreme court is no, ma'am neal nonpartisan. races for the supreme court have one more person