. >> angela kelly, i'm wondering if there is a trap inherit there.se the way to stand out was to listen to what the guy before you said and try to be tougher than him. point. >> it seemed to go on forever, but probably none of them thought they had enough time, so they had to talk about canceling dinners and tearing up deals so they sounded more like upset brides than people who really day. it didn't make sense in terms of is this really your strategy. carly fiorina you wouldn't sit down with putin. the irony is that this was in the reagan library, and the man worked very effectively with the russians. and you are probably right, it's because of the format. >> a woman who worked and lousent, a woman who worked at hp, was talking about not talking to the president of russia but having military exercises like in latvia, and lithuania on the russia border. does it matter that she is not a full blooded foreign policy expert? is that the kind of thing that you just have to do in these early debates to show that you can hold your own in the crowd? >> i --