1979and-a-half, i became very aware of the amount of tv angela goals proliferating on the tube. you know, jerry falwell and the moralority and pat robertson. for aan for president while. jimmy swagger and so forth, and mixing politics and religion. and i had learned in physics class the crime of the moment in education for me is they don't teach civics anymore. when i was a boy, i learned to love my declaration of independence. i underlined in my constitution, in my bill of rights because they were the protections americans needed in a free society where everybody is equal under the law. dedicated to that as the result of those civics classes -- and learning when my father was sent away, from the jews, that hated viciously anti-semetic and anti-fdr. amy: he was a real powerhouse on the radio. >> a real powerhouse. he raised anti-semitism to enormous height. but i had my civics class, which tommy i was protected by the documents that came from our founding fathers. i underlined the word "fathers" because mine was away. i think that is the time i fell in love with founding fathers, kneading, wishing for a father. amy: